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Old 08-30-2010, 04:33 PM    (permalink
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I lost $100 on that ***** idiot staying in school for that last year.
I said there was no way anyone with a half-brain would bypass a sure-fire chance to be the NFL's #1-overall pick, and play with a QB-tradition rich franchise like the 49ers. Fool chose to stay in school and lost a ton because of it.

I guess I under-estimated the power of the USC p**sy. Hard to walk away early from that I guess. Still, big mistake Matty.
Me and a buddy of mine were talking about this earlier. He still could have gotten it. He would be in Cali, and just get that USC nana as an alumni.

Plus, he'd have like 30 mill guaranteed to his name. He'd get even more probably bc of that.
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Speaking of that, can ANYONE explain that 2007 season? I mean that was on the Browns for God's sake.

Has anyone had a year that good at QB on a team that bad?

He has to have something to do that, even for just one year.
I think there was a lot of luck involved. Iirc, his completion % was still pretty terrible (like 55 or maybe even worse.) He just got the right mix of protection and production from his receivers to succeed.
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The Browns weren't all that bad that season. They had a very solid oline anchored by Thomas and Steinbach, they had legitimate weapons in Edwards and Winslow, and they had a stout running game in Jamal Lewis, who went for 1300 yards that year.

The defense, however, was a mess and its the reason they lost so many damn games.
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I lost $100 on that ***** idiot staying in school for that last year.
I said there was no way anyone with a half-brain would bypass a sure-fire chance to be the NFL's #1-overall pick, and play with a QB-tradition rich franchise like the 49ers. Fool chose to stay in school and lost a ton because of it.

I guess I under-estimated the power of the USC p**sy. Hard to walk away early from that I guess. Still, big mistake Matty.
Which makes him even more of an idiot, because he got one of the USC Women's bball players pregnant during that senior year. So half of his earnings are automatically going to her.

So that's $15 million in bonus money he lost from going 9 picks lower, plus half of whatever he did receive going to his baby-mama. That's an expensive senior year in college. Hope it was worth it hahahahahaha.
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hahaha, i forgot about that.

Hey Matt, how does it feel to know that while your kid is playing with his legos in the living room, that girl you knocked up is swallowing someone else's **** in the bedroom with the AC is on, which you're paying for btw.

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Which makes him even more of an idiot, because he got one of the USC Women's bball players pregnant during that senior year. So half of his earnings are automatically going to her.

So that's $15 million in bonus money he lost from going 9 picks lower, plus half of whatever he did receive going to his baby-mama. That's an expensive senior year in college. Hope it was worth it hahahahahaha.
They're married?
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They're married?
I think he meant child support, though half seems to be a lot for that. Unless it's different in Cali.
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No, they're not married, but I'm pretty sure child support payments for California are close to half of your salary.
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If that's the case how did Antonio Cromartie stay afloat?!
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If that's the case how did Antonio Cromartie stay afloat?!
The Jets had to front him some of his money in order to make back-logged child support payments.

Also, Cromartie on Hard Knocks was one of the best unintentional comedy moments in the history of television.
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The problem is, though, that we pretty much KNOW Anderson won't get anything done. He's done. At least with Leinart it's just pretty doubtful he'll be any good. There's the CHANCE of non suckage.
I agree completely; after all, Scott Wright ranked Matt Leinart number 1 QB in the 2006 draft (#4 player overall)... it isn't his fault that so many teams passed on him in the draft, he should have gone to the Titans as the first QB chosen that year; just like Jimmy Clausen should have gone higher in this years draft... why don't these stupid NFL GMs listen to Scott Wright?

But anyways, Matt Leinart is considered an 'A' potential guy, whereas Derek Anderson is maybe 'B' or 'C' potential so you'd really have to be stupid to go with a guy who you know is going to cap out at 70 or 80 something overall.
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Where do people get this elite potential with Leinart? He's got an average at best arm, has never had to carry a team, and despite years in the Cardinals system, ended up benched. His best shot would to be a game manager in a WCO somewhere else.

If anything, I'd say Anderson has the better potential. Bigger arm, bigger body, and, despite it being very flukey, made a pro bowl.
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Speaking of that, can ANYONE explain that 2007 season? I mean that was on the Browns for God's sake.

Has anyone had a year that good at QB on a team that bad?

He has to have something to do that, even for just one year.
We had Winslow (career year) Edwards (career year) Jurevicius a nice back-up tight end in Heiden a great left side of the offensive line and Jamal Lewis played great that year.

Back on topic, Anderson had amazing receiving play in 2007 and absolutely ******* pathetic in 2008 and 2009.

I believe he could succeed in Arizona's offense with Fitz/Breaston/Doucet and was excited to see him go there.
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No, they're not married, but I'm pretty sure child support payments for California are close to half of your salary.
Don't tell my ex that (or the judge). I pay $600 per month for my son. If you're a high earner, it's roughly 10-12% of your monthly net depending on how much of a deadbeat you are and how good your lawyer is.
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Where do people get this elite potential with Leinart? He's got an average at best arm, has never had to carry a team, and despite years in the Cardinals system, ended up benched. His best shot would to be a game manager in a WCO somewhere else.

If anything, I'd say Anderson has the better potential. Bigger arm, bigger body, and, despite it being very flukey, made a pro bowl.
But Leinart played in a pro style offense in college. Didn't you know that's the end-all, be-all indicator for NFL success?
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We had Winslow (career year) Edwards (career year) Jurevicius a nice back-up tight end in Heiden a great left side of the offensive line and Jamal Lewis played great that year.
This goes to what I said earlier in that he got super, super, super lucky. If they had a defense that year...who knows how far they could have gone.

When everyone around him stopped performing/got hurt/got old in subsequent years, he crashed back down to Earth and then some.
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Don't tell my ex that (or the judge). I pay $600 per month for my son. If you're a high earner, it's roughly 10-12% of your monthly net depending on how much of a deadbeat you are and how good your lawyer is.
Ah, gotcha. I don't know much about family law other than California has pretty much set up their system to **** the male over in as many ways as they possibly can, so I figured the percentage was much higher than that.
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But Leinart played in a pro style offense in college. Didn't you know that's the end-all, be-all indicator for NFL success?
I'll be the first to tell you that I'd prefer my QB to come out of a pro-style rather than the spread, but it's far from fool-proof. Plenty of pro-style college QBs have failed too.

My theories conflict over Leinart though. He's out of a pro-style...but he had elite talent around him and played in a super weak conference. (Dose of reality Pac-10 fans....particularly defensively.) Those last 2 are things I definitely don't like to see out of a QB prospect.
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Ah, gotcha. I don't know much about family law other than California has pretty much set up their system to **** the male over in as many ways as they possibly can, so I figured the percentage was much higher than that.
It does suck for the little guy because even if you're only making enough to stay afloat (lets say 3k a month) you're still going to be paying probably at least 600 a month, maybe more. That's a big chunk of your income. But for a millionaire like Leinart who can afford good lawyers, it's probably not too big of an issue for 1 child.
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This goes to what I said earlier in that he got super, super, super lucky. If they had a defense that year...who knows how far they could have gone.

When everyone around him stopped performing/got hurt/got old in subsequent years, he crashed back down to Earth and then some.
Yeah I also think a ton of frustration started to set in. Our offensive game plan/coordinater Chudzinski got figured out in 2008 and he looked to be way in over his head, we then switched to a new offense in 2009. Everyone here hated him pretty much and wanted Quinn.

Receivers, runningbacks etc. dropped passes at alarming rates and Anderson just wasn't nearly the form he was in 2007.

I'm probably the only person who feels like he can get back to being a decent starter in this league but I've always felt that he was a guy that needs a top tier play maker and he definitely has that and then some in Arizona.
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I'll be the first to tell you that I'd prefer my QB to come out of a pro-style rather than the spread, but it's far from fool-proof. Plenty of pro-style college QBs have failed too.

My theories conflict over Leinart though. He's out of a pro-style...but he had elite talent around him and played in a super weak conference. (Dose of reality Pac-10 fans....particularly defensively.) Those last 2 are things I definitely don't like to see out of a QB prospect.
How do you explain Aaron Rodgers then? He sliced up the same "weak" defenses. In fact, how do you explain any QB that was successful that didn't come from the ACC, SEC or Big 10 (conferences known for their strength on defense). The elite talent part I can buy, but it's hard to argue the Pac 10 when they've historically produced the best/most NFL QB's, and I dont' think it's that close either.
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I'll be the first to tell you that I'd prefer my QB to come out of a pro-style rather than the spread, but it's far from fool-proof. Plenty of pro-style college QBs have failed too.

My theories conflict over Leinart though. He's out of a pro-style...but he had elite talent around him and played in a super weak conference. (Dose of reality Pac-10 fans....particularly defensively.) Those last 2 are things I definitely don't like to see out of a QB prospect.
When I'm evaluating a quarterback (and by evaluating I mean reading the reports of what other scouts have said, and then subtly passing that information off as my own) I look for the type of offense they ran, their height, the talent around them, and what conference they played in first, then I look for the minor things like the fear in their eyes when all their checkdown targets are covered.
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When I'm evaluating a quarterback (and by evaluating I mean reading the reports of what other scouts have said, and then subtly passing that information off as my own) I look for the type of offense they ran, their height, the talent around them, and what conference they played in first, then I look for the minor things like the fear in their eyes when all their checkdown targets are covered.
That's probably the most overrated aspect of scouting QBs.
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Yeah I also think a ton of frustration started to set in. Our offensive game plan/coordinater Chudzinski got figured out in 2008 and he looked to be way in over his head, we then switched to a new offense in 2009. Everyone here hated him pretty much and wanted Quinn.

Receivers, runningbacks etc. dropped passes at alarming rates and Anderson just wasn't nearly the form he was in 2007.

I'm probably the only person who feels like he can get back to being a decent starter in this league but I've always felt that he was a guy that needs a top tier play maker and he definitely has that and then some in Arizona.
Something I remember people pointing to, even during that year, was how inaccurate he was. He only completed something like 55% of his passes and still threw 19 picks iirc. When the team around him broke down, he wasn't good enough to carry them.

I like his odds better as a starter in Arizona than I do Leinart for this year though. They have some excellent receivers and 2 running backs I like. I think he could fling the ball around and make something happen more than Leinart. The o-line isn't very good though.....
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