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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/previe...ohn&id=5489176

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1. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts

2. Tom Brady, New England Patriots

3. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints

4. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers

5. Brett Favre, Minnesota Vikings

6. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers

7. Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers

8. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys

9. Donovan McNabb, Washington Redskins

10. Carson Palmer, Cincinnati Bengals

11. Eli Manning, New York Giants

12. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens

13. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons

14. Matt Schaub, Houston Texans

15. Jay Cutler, Chicago Bears

16. Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos

17. Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle Seahawks

18. Vince Young, Tennessee Titans

19. Jason Campbell, Oakland Raiders

20. David Garrard, Jacksonville Jaguars

21. Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ers

22. Matt Cassel, Kansas City Chiefs

23. Mark Sanchez, New York Jets

24. Kevin Kolb, Philadelphia Eagles

25. Chad Henne, Miami Dolphins

26. Byron Leftwich, Pittsburgh Steelers

27. Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions

28. Matt Leinart/Derek Anderson, Arizona Cardinals

29. Josh Freeman, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

30. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams

31. Trent Edwards, Buffalo Bills

32. Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers

33. Jake Delhomme, Cleveland Browns
I only gave the players click the link for his thoughts on each player, and let the debating begin...
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love ben at 4....

favre way to high, no way is favre over rodgers anymore. id actually have the top 5 look like

Peyton
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Roethlisberger

rodgers just moves **** like a well oiled machine and gets the **** kicked out of him behind a poor line. hes awesome
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I would absolutely have Favre over Big Ben. I agree with the first three, and I would put Rodgers at 4, Favre at 5, Rivers at 6, and Big Ben at 7 probably.
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The people in the top 7/8 is pretty set, though people's order could change. I'm glad gives Roethlisberger the respect he deserves, I use to really doubt him but when he's healthy you can't argue with what he's done (especially in the clutch). But I also would have Favre lower, and I'm a homer so I put Brees over Brady for current play.

It shows you how good the top QB's are though when someone like Rivers is at 7.
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Carson Palmer is no longer a top 10 starting QB, and hasn't been since '06. Matt Cassel should be a few spots lower. And Matt Stafford should be in the 22-25 range, where Sanchez is placed.

I'll leave it at that. I can't believe my own hate for SC QBs this year, but I'm trying to keep it real.
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I love seeing McNabb and Palmer over Eli, sure Eli just annihilated both last year despite having his defense fall apart, his OL and running game get eviscerated, the receiving corps was young, unproven and inconsistent and Eli played for weeks with a stress fracture in one foot and plantar facilitas (spl?) in the other that prevented him from stepping into his throws. But no Palmer who hasn't done **** in years is clearly a better QB.

EDIT: Wait, wait, wait, Eli lacks the fiery leadership of his brother? That's awesome.
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Schaub is criminally underrated on this list. It is an absolute disgrace to have him behind McNabb, Palmer, Flacco and Ryan. Also Sanchez over Stafford is nonsense. Anyone who saw the two play last year would know that.
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Philip Rivers is easily the 4th best quarterback in football and he's going to prove it again this year, this time without Vincent Jackson.

Also, Matthew Stafford is hilariously low. Is this just based on team performance last year? He's a hell of a lot better than Mark Sanchez. The only guy between #19 and #26 who I'd take over Stafford for this coming season is Chad Henne (who is also way too low). Maybe Kevin Kolb too, but that's only a maybe.

Eli Manning is also far superior to Carson Palmer and an argument can definitely be made that he is better than McNabb.
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Henne is way too low; he's going to have a great season
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Philip Rivers is easily the 4th best quarterback in football and he's going to prove it again this year, this time without Vincent Jackson.

Also, Matthew Stafford is hilariously low. Is this just based on team performance last year? He's a hell of a lot better than Mark Sanchez. The only guy between #19 and #26 who I'd take over Stafford for this coming season is Chad Henne (who is also way too low). Maybe Kevin Kolb too, but that's only a maybe.

Eli Manning is also far superior to Carson Palmer and an argument can definitely be made that he is better than McNabb.
In fact that argument is much more sound than the inverse at this point in their respective careers.
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I think no matter the order you rank them Brady,Manning and Brees are 1-3, then I have Rivers and Rodgers 4 and 5 just can't make up my mind who is 4th and who is 5th.
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seriously Bryan Leftwich over Stafford lol

Schaub is way to low should be atleast 5 spots up
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cant get mad about someone having roethlisberger/rivers/rodgers at 4/5/6 really....its all preference.

hell im not entirely sure brady is top 3 anymore, thats just been such an automatic thing the last few years
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Peyton
Brees
Brady

Rivers

Rodgers

Eli
Romo
Favre
Big Ben

Schaub

Seems like a much better top ten.
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love ben at 4....
Hate Ben at 4. Or top 10 at all, his off the field antics have so undermined his game performances that it has to be taken into acct.

So Romo has dropped from #6 to #8 in 2 yrs? His game performance would seem to have boosted him up since he led Dallas to its 1st playoff win in like forever last season. Subtract Date Rape Roethlisberger & drop Brady for his yr. off due to injury in the 1st series of the Wk. 1 game & Romo is back in the saddle again at #6.

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My top 10 would be this:
Peyton
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers
Favre
Eli
Romo
Big Ben
Shaub
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being convicted of sexual assault wouldnt change his on field performance, just being accused of it certainly doesnt.

hes going to play out of his mind when he gets back. 4 will look about right

you dont have to like him to admit his game is good, hell i dont even really like him but the man is talented
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Ben's problem has been consistency on the field. He goes on and off for entire seasons. He is top-5 every off year.
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15 Jay Cutler
16 Kyle Orton

Nice sneaking that one in there. Orton was a much better QB last year.
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Leftwich, Leinart/Anderson, Bradford, Freeman, and Edwards are too high. Freeman should be #31 or #32 without question. Leinart/Anderson should be in the 30s as well. Delhomme and Matt Moore aren't that bad. In fact unlike many QBs on that list I think those 2 will have pretty decent seasons this year. Moore looked good to finish the year last season, and Delhomme had the only bad year of his career playing in a system that wasn't meant for him at all, and has been terrific this preseason so far.
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Philip Rivers is easily the 4th best quarterback in football and he's going to prove it again this year, this time without Vincent Jackson.

Also, Matthew Stafford is hilariously low. Is this just based on team performance last year? He's a hell of a lot better than Mark Sanchez. The only guy between #19 and #26 who I'd take over Stafford for this coming season is Chad Henne (who is also way too low). Maybe Kevin Kolb too, but that's only a maybe.

Eli Manning is also far superior to Carson Palmer and an argument can definitely be made that he is better than McNabb.
based on....?

throwing the same amount of INTs in 5 less games?

winning 2 games?

crushing the browns for the only game with a qb rating over 100?

OH BUT THE JETS HAVE A CRAZY DEFENSE!!!

yeah the same one that laid a duck and cost them two wins against Miami.

Also on a team without a legitamate play maker.

We can debate about all these confounding variables about why each person's numbers look worse than the others but I wouldn't be opposed to say they had equal years last year.

But to say one is a hell of a lot better than the other??? I'm prety sure the list is ranking arm strengths. or "intangibles"
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I don't worry about these types of things. You are comparing different players, on different teams, in different systems, with different OCs calling/designing plays, with different personnel around them.
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Peyton
Brees
Brady

Rivers

Rodgers

Eli
Romo
Favre
Big Ben

Schaub

Seems like a much better top ten.
I'd have Big Ben ahead of Eli, and maybe Favre. McNabb and Palmer over Eli I find boggling. An argument can be made for McNabb, but not Palmer. It's definitely a better looking Top 10 though, imo.
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seriously Bryan Leftwich over Stafford lol

Schaub is way to low should be atleast 5 spots up
What a noob.
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This is how I'd have it:

1-2. Brees/Manning in some order
3. Brady
4. Rivers
5. Rodgers
6-8. Manning/Roethlisberger/Favre in some order
9. Romo
10. Schaub
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