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View Poll Results: Who will be voted as the MVP for this 2010 season
Chris Johnson 6 8.11%
Adrian Peterson 2 2.70%
Peyton Manning 10 13.51%
Drew Brees 7 9.46%
Aaron Rodgers 32 43.24%
Tom Brady 8 10.81%
Brett Favre 0 0%
Philip Rivers 4 5.41%
Tony Romo 2 2.70%
Other- name him 3 4.05%
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I really have no idea how you can say that when the teams are basically constructed exactly the same.
Except that the Saints had a top 10 running attack in all categories and the much better offensive line.
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Since Peyton Manning basically invented the quarterback position and evidently no one has ever played it better, why the **** do the Colts keep investing top picks on offense and specifically receivers?

Build an offensive line and just spend the rest of the picks on defense, right? Right?

Outside of defensive ends, the Colts defense is built almost entirely on the cheap. Bill Polian should be fired.
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Since Peyton Manning basically invented the quarterback position and evidently no one has ever played it better, why the **** do the Colts keep investing top picks on offense and specifically receivers?

Build an offensive line and just spend the rest of the picks on defense, right? Right?

Outside of defensive ends, the Colts defense is built almost entirely on the cheap. Bill Polian should be fired.
70% of the Colts 1-3 round draft picks have been defensive players since 2005.
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Except that the Saints had a top 10 running attack in all categories and the much better offensive line.
Manning won an MVP when his line was better and he had Edgerrin James. And Brees' was a monster the past two years when their offensive line was terrible and with Reggie Bush as their primary runner.

I understand, though. Peyton Manning is allowed to win MVP's with elite talent around him (Edgerrin James, Tarik Glenn, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark), but other people can't just because they have a good running game.
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70% of the Colts 1-3 round draft picks have been defensive players since 2005.
And only two 1st rounders were on D.
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Manning won an MVP when his line was better and he had Edgerrin James. And Brees' was a monster the past two years when their offensive line was terrible and with Reggie Bush as their primary runner.

I understand, though. Peyton Manning is allowed to win MVP's with elite talent around him (Edgerrin James, Tarik Glenn, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark), but other people can't just because they have a good running game.
I believe I already posted this here but

2003: 19th
2004: 15th
2008: 31st
2009: 32nd

Colts running game ranks during Manning's MVP years. The Saints was 6th last year

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2/5 and 1st round picks aren't the only talent. The difference in talent between the end of the 1st round and the entire 2nd and 3rd rounds is not much different, imo

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And only two 1st rounders were on D.
And no offensive linemen in the 1st round either, so when they go 1st round and offense, it's a skill player

I think Tarik Glenn was the last 1st round pick the Colts have used on an offensive lineman and that was 1997.

Harrison in '98
James in '99
Wayne in '01
Clark in '03
Addai in '06
Gonzalez in '07
Brown in '09

That's 3 running backs and 3 receivers and a tight end in an 11 year period. Holy offensive skill positions, Batman.

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It will probably be one of the top Quarterbacks, probably the top Quarterback on the top team. So if its the Colts then MVP will be Manning. If its the Patriots it will be Brady. If its the Chargers then it will be Rivers. If its the Packers then it will be Rodgers. If its the Packers it will be Rodgers and if its the Vikings it will he who will keep playing until he has a ******* heart attack.

For those bitching about Manning getting it last year I want to remind you of two things.

Firstly the MVP award is given before the Superbowl. So to say that Brees should win MVP for something that he did (or more importantly something Manning did) after the MVP has already been awarded is just stupid. How ridicolous of the AP for not being able to tell the future. You are basically saying that they should look into their crystal balls and see that Manning was going to throw a pick 6 in the Superbowl.

Secondly, Chris Johnson wasn't even the MVP of the Tennessee Titans, never mind of the National Football League. He was .500 last year. Vince Young was .800.
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It will probably be one of the top Quarterbacks, probably the top Quarterback on the top team. So if its the Colts then MVP will be Manning. If its the Patriots it will be Brady. If its the Chargers then it will be Rivers. If its the Packers then it will be Rodgers. If its the Packers it will be Rodgers and if its the Vikings it will he who will keep playing until he has a ******* heart attack.

For those bitching about Manning getting it last year I want to remind you of two things.

Firstly the MVP award is given before the Superbowl. So to say that Brees should win MVP for something that he did (or more importantly something Manning did) after the MVP has already been awarded is just stupid. How ridicolous of the AP for not being able to tell the future. You are basically saying that they should look into their crystal balls and see that Manning was going to throw a pick 6 in the Superbowl.

Secondly, Chris Johnson wasn't even the MVP of the Tennessee Titans, never mind of the National Football League. He was .500 last year. Vince Young was .800.
Relax, I was saying that strictly because of the trolls original statement not because it should of happened, obviously no one is stupid enough to think the AP can see the future.
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I believe I already posted this here but

2003: 19th
2004: 15th
2008: 31st
2009: 32nd

Colts running game ranks during Manning's MVP years. The Saints was 6th last year



2/5 and 1st round picks aren't the only talent. The difference in talent between the end of the 1st round and the entire 2nd and 3rd rounds is not much different, imo
The Saints had a nice rushing attack last year, but it's not something that's carrying the team to a .500 record without Brees.

And I still fail to see how that somehow makes Brees less valuable to his team than Manning. According to you, Peyton is the sole reason for the Colts success; he makes every position on his team better, and every other player in the NFL is a success due to the talent around them.

Oh yeah, and Peyton is just really unlucky in the playoffs and poor Peyton just gets the short end of the stick every year and is completely blameless for his team's failures.
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The Saints had a nice rushing attack last year, but it's not something that's carrying the team to a .500 record without Brees.

And I still fail to see how that somehow makes Brees less valuable to his team than Manning. According to you, Peyton is the sole reason for the Colts success; he makes every position on his team better, and every other player in the NFL is a success due to the talent around them.

Oh yeah, and Peyton is just really unlucky in the playoffs and poor Peyton just gets the short end of the stick every year and is completely blameless for his team's failures.
Didnt you get the memo?
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I thought Favre or Brees should have been MVP last year, but I had no qualms with Manning either. Manning is so valuable to his team, but hey, so is every good ******* quarterback. But to say no one was even close is not only ignorant, but flat out stupid. But this guy obviously has a constant raging erection for Peyton no matter what, as he has proven in a few threads, so arguing with him is pointless and will get no where because his head is too far up Peyton's ass to see anything from a neutral standpoint.
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The Saints had a nice rushing attack last year, but it's not something that's carrying the team to a .500 record without Brees.

And I still fail to see how that somehow makes Brees less valuable to his team than Manning. According to you, Peyton is the sole reason for the Colts success; he makes every position on his team better, and every other player in the NFL is a success due to the talent around them.

Oh yeah, and Peyton is just really unlucky in the playoffs and poor Peyton just gets the short end of the stick every year and is completely blameless for his team's failures.
It makes Brees slightly less valuable because the team around him was better and the stats show that, it isn't that hard to understand. I never said anything resembling the other things you said. Manning does make the team around him better but so does Brees, and to a lesser extent guys like Brady, Rivers, and Rodgers, but he isn't the sole reason why the Colts are good. I'll bold this so you understand my point, and once again all the evidence points to this. He was the most "valuable" player to his team in the league last year, unquestionably.

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I thought Favre or Brees should have been MVP last year, but I had no qualms with Manning either. Manning is so valuable to his team, but hey, so is every good ******* quarterback. But to say no one was even close is not only ignorant, but flat out stupid. But this guy obviously has a constant raging erection for Peyton no matter what, as he has proven in a few threads, so arguing with him is pointless and will get no where because his head is too far up Peyton's ass to see anything from a neutral standpoint.
Way to go, you resorted to flaming. It is two threads and both are discussing the best quarterbacks so I have a "constant raging erection" for Manning because I argue in favor of him? I guess some other people have the same for Brady, Brees, and Rivers or whatever but I am obviously the troll because I have given nothing but facts and numbers to support my point of view? I can see now that there is really no point in arguing with you.
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If you look at who they played, and how they played them, it was clear the Saints were better than Indy.

That said, I felt like we had a better running game, more options in the passing game, and a better defense, and Indy still won one more game over us. Credit has to go somewhere.

If the Saints are still elite this year, you can almost bank on Brees getting a retroactive MVP.
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Secondly, Chris Johnson wasn't even the MVP of the Tennessee Titans, never mind of the National Football League. He was .500 last year. Vince Young was .800.
I lol'd.


I'm still amazed at some of the things I read around here sometimes.
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I lol'd.


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I tried to just stick to me defending my old post to even start with that. apparently rushing for 2,000 yards just isnt very impressive today
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2008

Rodgers
63.6%| 4038 Passing Yards| 28 PTD| 13 INT| 93.8 RTG| 207 Rushing Yards| 4 RTD| 4245 Total Yards| 32 TTD
Manning
66.8%| 4002 Passing Yards| 27 PTD| 12 INT| 95.0 RTG| 21 Rushing Yards| 1 RTD| 4023 Total Yards| 28 TTD

Manning won MVP


2009

Rodgers
64.7%| 4434 Passing Yards| 30 PTD| 7 INT| 103.2 RTG| 316 Rushing Yards| 5 RTD| 4750 Total Yards| 35 TTD
Manning
68.8%| 4500 Passing Yards| 33 PTD| 16 INT| 99.9 RTG| -13 Rushing Yards| 0 RTD| 4487 Total Yards| 33 TTD

Manning won MVP

I'm not saying Rodgers should have won MVP the past two years or anything, but he's put up numbers that are better or at least comparable to the guy that did win. He definitely can produce enough to win one and this might be the year.
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2008

Rodgers
63.6%| 4038 Passing Yards| 28 PTD| 13 INT| 93.8 RTG| 207 Rushing Yards| 4 RTD| 4245 Total Yards| 32 TTD
Manning
66.8%| 4002 Passing Yards| 27 PTD| 12 INT| 95.0 RTG| 21 Rushing Yards| 1 RTD| 4023 Total Yards| 28 TTD

Manning won MVP


2009

Rodgers
64.7%| 4434 Passing Yards| 30 PTD| 7 INT| 103.2 RTG| 316 Rushing Yards| 5 RTD| 4750 Total Yards| 35 TTD
Manning
68.8%| 4500 Passing Yards| 33 PTD| 16 INT| 99.9 RTG| -13 Rushing Yards| 0 RTD| 4487 Total Yards| 33 TTD

Manning won MVP

I'm not saying Rodgers should have won MVP the past two years or anything, but he's put up numbers that are better or at least comparable to the guy that did win. He definitely can produce enough to win one and this might be the year.
Don't forget. The stats are accurate. And Rodgers did it often behind a sieve of an OL, and he put up those numbers playing in Green Bay climate, while Manning gets to play his home games in perfect elements.
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Don't forget. The stats are accurate. And Rodgers did it often behind a sieve of an OL, and he put up those numbers playing in Green Bay climate, while Manning gets to play his home games in perfect elements.
Manning's OL isn't very good either, but he actually can get rid of the ball fast.
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I tried to just stick to me defending my old post to even start with that. apparently rushing for 2,000 yards just isnt very impressive today
It is impressive. He won the Offensive Player of the Year Award. It just wasn't as valuable in the grand scheme of things as the 4,500 yards that Manning put up. Johnson was unable to get his team to win.
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It is impressive. He won the Offensive Player of the Year Award. It just wasn't as valuable in the grand scheme of things as the 4,500 yards that Manning put up. Johnson was unable to get his team to win.
Pretty sure Matt Ryan won OROY.
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