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Old 10-15-2010, 06:01 PM    (permalink
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Yes I was overreacting dude, figured that much was obvious. And yea, sure, let's talk about Cribbs and Hester because you know, their also elite cover CB's that shut down any and every WR they face and shut down one side of the field.


Great comparison right there. Compare him to return men who are average at best at their actual positions.
You show me where I compared them to Deion as a CB. I compared them to him for the purpose of refuting your one ridiculously stupid sentence. That should have been painfully obvious to you, seeing as how that's the only sentence I quoted.

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I'm tired of people elevating these players from the 50s and 60s. In basketball and football. Unless you are 60-70 years old then you have no business talking about Jim Brown. Who did he play? How many teams were there? What was the talent level across the league? I have no clue, but if I had to guess he was probably the only real athlete in the whole league at the time. My hatred of old timers isn't limited though, I feel the same way about Wilt, Oscar Robertson and Babe Ruth. Basically all the so-called sacred cows don't mean anything to me. I don't adhere to the unquestioned law that one must rank so and so #1 with no critical thought.

I bet Steven Jackson would have put up 20,000 career yards in the 1960s NFL.
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Was it 39 - 20 this week? if so can anyone get me the updated list?
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Can anyone get me a gif of Deion Sanders slapping Mooch in the face b/c of his ranking?
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You show me where I compared them to Deion as a CB. I compared them to him for the purpose of refuting your one ridiculously stupid sentence. That should have been painfully obvious to you, seeing as how that's the only sentence I quoted.

Don't take stupid pills and argue with me. I'll demolish you.

I never said you compared them as being a CB, but you brought up a stupid point. You started talking about guys who you could make an argument for that are better return men like that meant something. Every person you listed made a living as a return man, Deion made a living as a CB and shutting down WR's, he doubled as a return man. What was the point of you bringing up guys who were good at doing 1 thing well in a thread talking about the top 100 players of all time?'



But yea, keep being coy and trying to act like a 12 year older since you "demolish people". I'm sure of it. Seeing as how you mentioned the names of Josh Cribbs and Devin Hester in this thread. That's about as stupid as you saying how good of a receiver Emmitt Smith was and me bringing up Patrick Crayton and David Patten because they were better WR's, I mean look at their stats!


I already told you I was exaggerating with the comment, I didn't think it would be took so seriously that you would be talking about taking stupid pills and demolishing people lol.


You've seemed angry since your first post about Deion anyway, didn't know this was a touchy subject for you.
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Peter King mentioned in MMQB that Alex Rodriguez is presenting Dan Marino and Derek Jeter has the honours for Tom Brady on the next show - 30-21.
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Peter King mentioned in MMQB that Alex Rodriguez is presenting Dan Marino and Derek Jeter has the honours for Tom Brady on the next show - 30-21.

NFL.com has revealed who gets named at number 21 on this week's show.

Number 21 is...?

A few clues on the end credits suggest Bob Lilly and a Steeler are also on the 21-30 list.

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List is updated. Tom Brady ahead of Dan Marino and John Elway. Could go either way in my opinion. Peyton Manning ahead of all three of them? I don't agree.
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List is updated. Tom Brady ahead of Dan Marino and John Elway. Could go either way in my opinion. Peyton Manning ahead of all three of them? I don't agree.
The NFL world sucks peyton's di*k for I reason I can't fathom. The dude has 1 ring in 11 tries, and is in probably one of the best environments for a QB in NFL History.

Call be a Manning hater, but the dude isn't in my top 50.

Why does he get a pass on his AWFUL playoff record..
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The NFL world sucks peyton's di*k for I reason I can't fathom. The dude has 1 ring in 11 tries, and is in probably one of the best environments for a QB in NFL History.

Call be a Manning hater, but the dude isn't in my top 50.

Why does he get a pass on his AWFUL playoff record..
This is what I think ultimately screws him. His average playoff record. Four MVP honors, but one Super Bowl victory. I believe how the media plays into it as well really effects the perception for others. He shouldn't be ahead of Tom Brady at least in my opinion.
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The NFL world sucks peyton's di*k for I reason I can't fathom. The dude has 1 ring in 11 tries, and is in probably one of the best environments for a QB in NFL History.

Call be a Manning hater, but the dude isn't in my top 50.

Why does he get a pass on his AWFUL playoff record..
A ring, only 4 time MVP, has basically run that entire offense for almost his entire career..........
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A ring, only 4 time MVP, has basically run that entire offense for almost his entire career..........
But you can't dismiss his average playoff record. And he's had a lot of helpful weapons throughout his career...not no-names like David Givens and Deion Branch. Plus he's played in a dome for the majority of his career.

While you have someone like Tom Brady, a two time Super Bowl MVP, won three out of four Super Bowls, has played in Foxborough for his entire career, has a much better postseason record, and has not played with the likes of Harrison, James, Clark, and Wayne on the same team at the same time. The only thing that Manning trumps him in is consecutive games started (Brady has started a ton though) and regular season stats.
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Postseason numbers:

Manning:
18 games (9-9)
435-692
62.9%
5,164 yds
28 TDs
19 INTs
7.46 ypa
87.6 QB rating
1-1 Super Bowl record (1 MVP)


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18 games (14-4)
395-637
62.0%
4,108 yds
28 TDs
15 INTs
6.45 ypa
85.5 QB rating
3-1 Super Bowl record (2 MVP)


Favre:
24 games (13-11)
481-791
60.8%
5,855 yds
44 TDs
30 INTs
7.40 ypa
86.3 QB rating
1-1 Super Bowl record (0 MVP)



Regular Season:

Manning:
4 MVPs (1 shared)
1 OPOTY
5 1st team All-Pro
3 2nd team All-Pro
10 4,000 yd seasons
5 30 TD seasons (incl a 49)
7 seasons with 95+ QB rating
3 seasons with 100+ QB rating (incl a 121.1)


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1 MVPs
1 OPOTY
1 1st team All-Pro
1 2nd team All-Pro
2 4,000 yd seasons
2 30 TD seasons (incl a 50)
2 seasons with 95+ QB rating
1 season with 100+ QB rating (incl a 117.2)


Favre:
3 MVPs (1 shared)
1 OPOTY
3 1st team All-Pro
3 2nd team All-Pro
6 4,000 yd seasons
9 30 TD seasons (incl a 39 and 38 )
4 seasons with 95+ QB rating
1 season with 100+ QB rating (in 2009)
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Manning only has 5 30 TD seasons? It seems like it would be way higher.
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Manning only has 5 30 TD seasons? It seems like it would be way higher.
Manning has seasons of 29, 28, two with 27 and three with 26. He has never thrown for less than 26 TDs in a season.

In 2008 Manning had 28 TD passes after 14 games - but only had 14 attempts with 0 TDs in the last 2 games before we had Sorgi time.
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Predicted Top 20:

QB: Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre
WR: Jerry Rice, Don Hutson
RB: Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders
FB: Bronko Nagurski
OL: Anthony Munoz

DL: Reggie White, Joe Greene, Deacon Jones
LB: Lawrence Taylor, Ray Lewis, Richard Butkus
DB: Ronnie Lott
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I'll take Brady and Elway over Peyton Manning all day long and for me it's not close and Brett Favre this high is just ******* stupid. Better than Brady, Elway, Marino? Seriously?

I was also surprised at Sayers being #22. It's not that he wasn't good... fantastic for the 68 games he played and the best rookie season of all time, but I dunno.
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I'll take Brady and Elway over Peyton Manning all day long and for me it's not close and Brett Favre this high is just ******* stupid. Better than Brady, Elway, Marino? Seriously?

I was also surprised at Sayers being #22. It's not that he wasn't good... fantastic for the 68 games he played and the best rookie season of all time, but I dunno.
I basically agree with everything said here.

I don't really care about stats at all, late in the 4th quarter of the superbowl I want Brady, not Manning, and it's not even close.

Manning is SO overrated its bad.
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I just can't take Brady over Elway. Favre & Manning that high is too much for me also. End of the game I want Elway to have the ball.

Gale Sayers is just something that I accept that I don't completely understand. I know he was amazing but damn. Even though he had such a short career, the effect that he had can still be seen. He was just something that had never been seen in that time.

Am I the only one that is a little surprised to see Ray Lewis this high? I love it but I thought he would go earlier than this. He is going to be the 2nd best middle LB.
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Postseason numbers:

Manning:
18 games (9-9)
435-692
62.9%
5,164 yds
28 TDs
19 INTs
7.46 ypa
87.6 QB rating
1-1 Super Bowl record (1 MVP)


Brady:
18 games (14-4)
395-637
62.0%
4,108 yds
28 TDs
15 INTs
6.45 ypa
85.5 QB rating
3-1 Super Bowl record (2 MVP)

You mean Peyton plays better in the post season, while running laps around Brady in the regular season? The Manning haters sure are gonna hate this post.
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Peyton Manning is behind only Jerry Rice and Barry Sanders for me. The last couple years have catapulted him into the greatest QB of all-time in my book. When all is said and done, another ring is still very possible with such parity, he could be #1.

The past 4 years or so, Peyton has been getting it done in the post season.


Brett Favre has no business being ahead of Deion Sanders and many others. Most INTs of any QB, but "OH MY GOD, ITS BRETT FAVRE'S ****!!!!!! I LUV ITTTTTT!!!!!!"
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Just spent the last half hour LMAO at the Dallas fans getting their panties in a twist on the discussion page at NFL.com because Emmitt was ranked #28 and Barry Sanders is guaranteed to be in the Top 20. Some of the comments are simply hilarious or ridiculous depending on your mood. I know Walter's site ridicules a selection of the NFL's Gamecenter comments on a weekly basis and I'm beginning to think you need to prove you have an IQ lower than Ryan Leaf's QB rating to be allowed to post on nfl.com. Its actually embarrassing and really makes you appreciate the intelligent discussion we have here on Scott's site amongst so many knowledgable fans.

Thankfully the voting panel got that one spot on and I hope Barry can break into the Top 10 overall though I suspect he'll just miss out. Sayers will be ranked 4th at RB with Emmitt 5th, OJ 6th, Dickerson 7th, Campbell 8th, Tomlinson 9th and Faulk 10th.

I know Thorpe and Grange are there in the Top 50 overall but its virtually impossible to compare them with players from post WW2 era. The only surviving footage of Thorpe in the NFL is of him punting. I'd also consider Grange more of a college great than NFL legend. In fact I'm certain their ranking is based on the massive impact they provided to a struggling league in the 1920s and giving it the early credibility it so desperately needed. Without the likes of Thorpe and Grange the NFL might not have survived that difficult first decade which culminated with the Great Depression. Nagurski looks like he'll be a Top 20 selection but again its so difficult to compare and Bronko also played on the Defensive LIne.

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Is it just me or should cris carter be somewhere on this list.

Cris Carter
Receptions 1,101
Receiving yards 13,899
Touchdowns 130

Michael Irvin
Receptions 750
Receiving yards 11,904
Touchdowns 65

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