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A good debate perhaps. A lot of people think special teams is 1/3 of the game and just as important as offense and defense. But there are a good amount of people who believe that that isn't the case. That perhaps if special teams really was 1/3 of the game than you'd see people in the draft taken in the early rounds for that very purpose. But they aren't. And the Hall of Fame I don't think has one player that only played on special teams. Maybe they have a good reason for not admitting so many. I'd probably vote for someone that was on the field a majority of the time compared to someone that isn't. And I'm guessing that is why a lot of special teams players keep getting omitted. So what do you think? Is special teams legit? Or not that big of a deal when it comes to having a good offense and defense?
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the browns had the best special teams in the league last year, so it's not as important as O or D when it comes to having a good team....but it's still an important part of the game and if you have bad special teams it can easily cost you a game.
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the browns had the best special teams in the league last year, so it's not as important as O or D when it comes to having a good team....but it's still an important part of the game and if you have bad special teams it can easily cost you a game.
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the browns had the best special teams in the league last year, so it's not as important as O or D when it comes to having a good team....but it's still an important part of the game and if you have bad special teams it can easily cost you a game.
Our special teams are pretty legendary.

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the browns had the best special teams in the league last year, so it's not as important as O or D when it comes to having a good team....but it's still an important part of the game and if you have bad special teams it can easily cost you a game.

That's because it was the only 3rd of the game that was good. Their O and D is terrible.

I think ST really is 1/3 bc field position is soooooo effin important.
There's a big difference between starting at your own 20 or your own 40.
And the same goes for the D. Punting and punt coverage. So underrated, IMO
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I would say they are a huge complimentary part to success. Pittsburgh's special teams were terrible last year. Jeff Reed's gaffes versus Chicago, horrible kickoff coverage issues come to mind.
Football Outsiders tell me they allowed a special teams touchdown 4 times in 5 games during a stretch including a 18-12 loss to Cincy where the only touchdown was Bernard Scott's 97 yard kickoff touchdown. Consider they got bumped out of the playoffs in the last week of the season, I would say special teams cost them the playoffs basically.
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Every special teams snap in the NFL is either field position or points, so yes, it is important.
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That's because it was the only 3rd of the game that was good. Their O and D is terrible.

I think ST really is 1/3 bc field position is soooooo effin important.
There's a big difference between starting at your own 20 or your own 40.
And the same goes for the D. Punting and punt coverage. So underrated, IMO
But would you rather have a team whose only third of the game is having a good offense? Or would you rather have a team whose only third of the game that is good is special teams?
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Doesn't matter. It's still a shytty team
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But would you rather have a team whose only third of the game is having a good offense? Or would you rather have a team whose only third of the game that is good is special teams?
Offense and defense are going to be on the field longer so I mean its hard to look at ST as being so important, but I'd say it is certainly important enough to call it a 1/3 of the game.
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That's how coaches see it for the most part. 3 phases of the game, off. def. and ST. I know I see it as one of the 3 phases.
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i feel like sp teams is so important its more then 1/3. Im field position is so important in this game and if the other team is starting at the 35 40 everydrive and you are going from the 20 25 its a great disadvantage, and look how much of a swing a kick return can be for momentum after giving up a td. Its so big that as a football coach we make it our first priority during the week to work on everyday.
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So much depends on which team you're talking about.

The Bears have all but stopped using Hester returning kicks while the Browns had Haden returning some kicks this preseason.

The LSU Tigers have Patrick Peterson returning some kicks.

There are some teams that use starters for special teams and others that won't out of fear of injury, saving them for offense/defense, etc.
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Of course it is. I've seen both games won and lost due to ST play.
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It's important, but not equal to defense or offense. There is a reason that your special teams team is filled with the guys not good enough to make the other parts of the squad, and why you don't see big special team contracts.
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Not 1/3, but it is certainly significant. Good special teams is underrated and definitely helps teams win alot of football games.
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The Packers had one of the worst special teams units in the league last year and we went 11-5. It's important, but certainly not equal to offense and defense. A good offense doesn't need great field position to score. Defense it's a little harder, but they can still hold to three points. It certainly helps to start off with an advantage in field position, but it's not necessary. It's much easier to win with bad special teams than with bad offense or defense.
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Colts always have awful special teams and they won more games in the last decade than any other.
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Colts always have awful special teams and they won more games in the last decade than any other.
And they can blame a big part of that super bowl loss on that onside kick that got the Saints back into the game.
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If the same crap Bills team that hasn't won less than 6 games in the last four years ends up winning 1-2 games like everybody seems to think they will, then I'd say a huge part of that will be because of special teams.
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