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Old 09-09-2010, 04:16 AM    (permalink
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Default Phillip Rivers >>>>> Aaron Rodgers.

I just want that out there before the season starts.

Rivers is the best under 30 QB in the league that I can think of right now at 5:15 AM.
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I really don't think you can go wrong at the moment and comparing them is going to be tough because Rodgers is in a better situation IMO. I would bet that barring injury Aaron Rodgers has a statistically better season than Rivers but that isn't indicative of Rodgers neccessarily being better than Rivers.

After Brady, Manning and Brees I would take both of these guys over anyone else in a heartbeat
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No way, Aaron Rodgers is pushing to be on the same tier as Manning and Brees. Guys in the NFL fear Aaron Rodgers, Antrel Rolle said "I'll face Drew Brees any day of the week before I face [Rodgers] again", Ryan Clark said "Aaron Rodgers is an animal. Period, point blank." and that "If Brees, Manning, & Brady are the pole leaders at qb then Aaron Rodgers is approaching fast of the straightaway". Actual players dread going against Rodgers, its not just some internet message board hype, the hype is justified.

Rodgers is the best under 30 QB in the NFL.
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Ryan Clark sucks/has a vagina.
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Ryan Clark sucks/has a vagina.
Prove it?.. Clark has been a productive, starting player on one of the best defenses in the NFL year in and year out. And even if he did suck, he is in the NFL which almost automatically makes his statements more knowledgeable and superior to yours.

And does Rolle suck/have a vagina too? I mean he said he feared Rodgers more than Brees...
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Prove it?.. Clark has been a productive, starting player on one of the best defenses in the NFL year in and year out. And even if he did suck, he is in the NFL which almost automatically makes his statements more knowledgeable and superior to yours.

And does Rolle suck/have a vagina too? I mean he said he feared Rodgers more than Brees...
Fine...I'm not searching the internet for players thoughts on Rivers...Rivers > Rodgers.

Only one >.

He's got 4 more TD passes the past two years with 100+ less pass attempts...Not quite a Ryan Clark opinion, but perhaps some sign of ability.
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He's got 4 more TD passes the past two years with 100+ less pass attempts...Not quite a Ryan Clark opinion, but perhaps some sign of ability.
And that is including Rodgers first year starting.

Rodgers first two seasons starting:
58 touchdowns, 20 interceptions, 8,472 yards, 7.8 YPA, a 64+% completion rate, 523 rushing yards and 9 rushing touchdowns
Rivers first two seasons starting:
43 touchdowns, 24 interceptions, 6,540 yards, 6.9 YPA, 61+% completion rate, 82 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD

Clearly Rodgers is off to a much better start than Rivers was.

And last season Rodgers threw 2 more touchdowns, 2 less interceptions not to mention Rodgers led a more potent offense. One could easily argue that Rodgers is already better than Rivers and Rodgers has only started 2 seasons compared to Rivers 4 starting seasons.
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And that is including Rodgers first year starting.

Rodgers first two seasons starting:
58 touchdowns, 20 interceptions, 8,472 yards, 7.8 YPA, a 64+% completion rate, 523 rushing yards and 9 rushing touchdowns
Rivers first two seasons starting:
43 touchdowns, 24 interceptions, 6,540 yards, 6.9 YPA, 61+% completion rate, 82 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD

Clearly Rodgers is off to a much better start than Rivers was.

And last season Rodgers threw 2 more touchdowns, 2 less interceptions not to mention Rodgers led a more potent offense. One could easily argue that Rodgers is already better than Rivers and Rodgers has only started 2 seasons compared to Rivers 4 starting seasons.

One could also easily argue that Rodgers has more weapons to his disposal.

I would gladly take GBs receiving options and offensive system over the Chargers.

It also has to be noted that the NFC North isn't laden with top pass defenses whereas the AFC West has Nnamdi Asomghua and Champ Bailey, two of the top CBs of the decade, if not the top two.

Also in Rivers first two seasons the Chargers were definitely a run first team with LT and that big O-line. Vincent Jackson only started to breakout when the Chargers put the ball more in Rivers hands.
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Prove it?.. Clark has been a productive, starting player on one of the best defenses in the NFL year in and year out. And even if he did suck, he is in the NFL which almost automatically makes his statements more knowledgeable and superior to yours.

And does Rolle suck/have a vagina too? I mean he said he feared Rodgers more than Brees...

Wrong, big time, haha.

Rolle feared Rodgers more than Brees because he was heading into a game with Brees, then got his ass taken to school, ahhaha.

Anyway, difference is negligible, neither is as good as Brees or Manning, no real argument for them either.
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One could also easily argue that Rodgers has more weapons to his disposal.

I would gladly take GBs receiving options and offensive system over the Chargers.

It also has to be noted that the NFC North isn't laden with top pass defenses whereas the AFC West has Nnamdi Asomghua and Champ Bailey, two of the top CBs of the decade, if not the top two.

Also in Rivers first two seasons the Chargers were definitely a run first team with LT and that big O-line. Vincent Jackson only started to breakout when the Chargers put the ball more in Rivers hands.
One could also argue that San Diego being a run heavy team is all the more reason that Philip Rivers should've been more efficient than he was in his first two years starting. In Rivers' first two seasons he had LT in his prime, Michael Turner and a great offensive line. He was able to lean on that run game and all he had to do was manage the game, yet he was still far less efficient than Rodgers in terms of YPA, completion % and TD:INT ratio and this is all despite the fact that Rodgers is the focal point of defensive game plans whereas Rivers was not. Rodgers take more focus from the defenses and he still outproduced Rivers in their 2 first years starting.

Plus Aaron Rodgers has the stronger arm, better mechanics and is more mobile while Rivers is more accurate and has better pocket presence. All in all I think they're right on the same level, I just happen to prefer Rodgers, the guy who IMO is already better than Rivers despite being 2 years behind on the 'developmental scale'.
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Aaron Rodgers is the best qb in the league without a SB.

Its Rodgers, and honestly, its Rodgers by a pretty fair margin.
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OP is 100% correct. As of this point in time Rivers is the better QB than Rodgers. Give it a couple of years, though
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Rodgers's ability to run is one of the most underrated facets of his game.
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I hope Rodgers makes the playoffs this year again(which I'm pretty sure he will as they can win that division), it'll help answer alot of questions I have about him. I want to see his legacy have some more playoff games in it before I base too much of an opinion 1 way or another about him.
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I just want that out there before the season starts.

Rodgers is the best under 30 QB in the league that I can think of right now at 9:39 AM.
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I love, love Philip Rivers. I think we will see him light it up this year, even without Vincent Jackson. That said Aaron Rodgers is legit and I would bet a lot that his numbers will look better at the end of the year.
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I love, love, love Philip Rivers (won me over forever with that ballsy playoff game on two busted knees against Indy with no Gates or LT).

HOWEVER, other than when he plays Indy, he's been pretty abysmal in the playoffs. He's got a 3-4 record (two of those wins came against bigger choke artist Manning), 8 TDs, 8 INTs, a 79 rating and two inexcusable collapses at home (2006 vs. Pats, 2009 vs. Jets).

I know, I know, not everything is on the QB, but his postseason performance is completely substandard to the regular season. He needs to beat somebody other than Indy.

Aaron Rodgers doesn't even enter the conversation of elite QBs until he wins a playoff game. Love the dude, love his talent, love his numbers, and I think he'll have a great year. But let me know when he wins a playoff game.

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So, you don't have to be an elite quarterback to win a playoff game... but to be an elite quarterback you must win a playoff game?

Rodgers was elite last season & he'll be elite this season. He's the one player I think has legitimate potential to take Manning's reign as best Quarterback in football. Right now Drew Brees is up there, but he's only been in this conversation for two years; Rodgers is next.

Philip Rivers is a great player, a Top 5 Quarterback; still, I'm with the group of people that believe Rodgers could easily be the best player in football after this season.
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I love, love, love Philip Rivers (won me over forever with that ballsy playoff game on two busted knees against Indy with no Gates or LT).

Me too, I'll never forget that game. It was simply amazing watching him hobble around out there knowing he could be wrecking his career, and he had a really good game on top of not being able to plant all that well. Though it's pretty tough to get a good look at his playoff resume since he has Norv Turner as his HC and I don't know that I really trust him to gameplan properly in the playoffs either so I'd give him alot of the blame for early playoff exits.


This will be a big year for both though. I want to see how Rivers adapts without Vincent Jackson and if they fold early again in the playoffs, and if Rodgers can win a playoff game(not that the game last year was his fault, but he still needs to win one).
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This Aaron Rodgers dick sucking fest is amazing.

Matt Ryan > everyone
Seriously? I think we might just have a biased Vikings fan on our hands folks. Who would have thought, a Vikings fan who hates Aaron Rodgers.

Call me crazy but I'll take the guy who threw for 8 more touchdowns, 1/2 the interceptions, 1500 more yards, completed 8% more of their passes, had 1.7 more yards per attempt and also had 4 more rushing touchdowns. But again, I might just be crazy.
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Seriously? I think we might just have a biased Vikings fan on our hands folks. Who would have thought, a Vikings fan who hates Aaron Rodgers.

Call me crazy but I'll take the guy who threw for 8 more touchdowns, 1/2 the interceptions, 1500 more yards, completed 8% more of their passes, had 1.7 more yards per attempt and also had 4 more rushing touchdowns. But again, I might just be crazy.
Just watch, Matt Ryan is gonna go for 38 and 13 this year.
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I like how you can be in the discussion for best QB without putting up the best yards, completion percentage, touchdowns, or win any superbowls, or lead the top ranked offense.

I thought you had to be the most statistically dominant, or "just win" but apparently you just gotta be top 5 and not win.
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