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Old 12-13-2010, 11:53 PM    (permalink
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Is Moffitt white, because with the rare exception of Marshall Newhouse, Ted Thompson only keeps caucasions on his OL. It is what it is. I know it's working in New England, but if it was that easy as rolling out 5, 6, 7, 8 honkeys on the OL, then everyone would do it.

Sorry to be so politically incorrect, but it's becoming more apparent when you see first guy off the bench for Tauscher, is Bulaga. Then it's Spitz. Then it's TJ Lang. Then it's McDonald.... we already lost Barbre, and Moll.... come on now.
I can never tell with you whether you're trying to make a joke or if you actually believe this kind of garbage.

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Granted we'd like to see TT address our needs early but it rarely happens that way...
Our last three first round picks (Bulaga, Matthews, Raji) have been at the positions of biggest need if you ask me.
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Granted we'd like to see TT address our needs early but it rarely happens that way...
More like always happens that way.

Aaron Rodgers - Not an immediate need, but I think this should definitely still count
AJ Hawk - Our linebackers were terrible
Justin Harrell - I still stand by that we needed a DT, though many disagree
BJ Raji - Needed a NT for the 3-4 switch
Clay Matthews - Needed an OLB for the 3-4 switch
Bryan Bulaga - Our offensive line was terrible in '09

His first round picks have never been surprising. If you want to include Jordy Nelson, as he was our first pick that year, I'll give you that one. People always say that Thompson goes straight BPA, but he's gone for need with every one of his first round picks. The second and third rounds are where he goes more for value.
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More like always happens that way.

Aaron Rodgers - Not an immediate need, but I think this should definitely still count
AJ Hawk - Our linebackers were terrible
Justin Harrell - I still stand by that we needed a DT, though many disagree
BJ Raji - Needed a NT for the 3-4 switch
Clay Matthews - Needed an OLB for the 3-4 switch
Bryan Bulaga - Our offensive line was terrible in '09

His first round picks have never been surprising. If you want to include Jordy Nelson, as he was our first pick that year, I'll give you that one. People always say that Thompson goes straight BPA, but he's gone for need with every one of his first round picks. The second and third rounds are where he goes more for value.
other for Harrell, every one of those players were the BPA at the time we picked, so really it's evened out
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I can never tell with you whether you're trying to make a joke or if you actually believe this....
I do believe what I see... but I admit I don't know Moffitt or if he fits in.
I'm way out of tune with the draft prospects for 2011 and I don't want to spend so much time getting into them this time.
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Is Moffitt white, because with the rare exception of Marshall Newhouse, Ted Thompson only keeps caucasions on his OL.
Junius Coston, William Whittacker, and Jamon Meredith. Combined with Newhouse thats 4 out 12 offensive lineman drafted.
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Wait, you think Thompson is an offensive line racist?
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How would you guys feel if TT drafted Herzlich out of BC? Something tells me that Herzlich will be drafted by either us, the Giants, the Patriots, or maybe the Ravens. I think he could be a nice complement to Matthews, and if we draft him in the 3rd round, he could be a very nice value pick. Although I bet a team like the Patriots with all of those early picks will draft him in the 2nd round.
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TT must be a raciest.....All D-Line are black, all DB's are black, All QB's are white, all most all O-line is white and not counting Kuhn all HB's are black....no way it just worked out like that right? Must be a raciest (roll of the eyes)

Moffitt is white, which doesn't matter what so ever. He is athletic for size and like Spitz can play both Center and OG very well.

Herzlich is a great story and come draft time I'm guessin his story will be all over draft coverage and ESPN. He was incredible before the cancer and surprisingly looked very good for all that he has went through. Only thing is I see him fitting better as an IB in the 3-4. (Personal Opinion) So if they look to upgrade at IB i'd like to see him or Casey Matthews get a look guessing both could top out in 2nd round but more like 3-4th round as of right now

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My Dream Offseason

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Davin Joseph - OG
Ben Leber - OLB/ Jacob Ford - OLB

DRAFT

1. Aaron Williams - CB - Texas(if he's 6'+)
2. Kristofer ODowd - OC- USC
2(trade 3rd+4th). Noel Devine - RB - West Virgina
4(b). Joseph Barksdale - OT - LSU
5. Kyle Hix - OG - Texas
6. Quinton Carter S - Oklahoma
7(a). Adrian Moten - ILB - Maryland
7(b). Andy Dalton - QB - TCU

DEPTH CHART

QB- Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Andy Dalton*
RB- Ryan Grant, Noel Devine*, Brandon Jackson, James Starks
FB- Quinn Johnson, John Kuhn
WR- Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Brett Swain
TE- JerMichael Finely, Donald Lee, Andrew Quarless
LT- Chad Clifton, Joseph Barksdale*
LG- Josh Sitton, Michael Newhouse
C- Kristofer ODowd *
RG- Davin Joesph*, Kyle Hix*
RT- Bryan Bugala, TJ Lang

DE: Cullen Jenkins, CJ Wilson
NT: Ryan Pickett, BJ Raji
DE: Johnny Jolly, Mike Neal
OLB: Clay Matthews, Frank Zombo
ILB: Nick Barnett, Adrian Morton*
ILB: Brandon Chillar, Desmond Bishop
OLB: Ben Leber/Jacob Ford, Brad Jones, Brady Poppinga
CB: Tramon Williams, Sam Shields
S: Nick Collins, Quinton Carter*
S: Morgan Burnett, Charlie Peprah
CB: Charles Woodson, Aaron Williams*, Brandon Underwood

K: Mason Corsby
P: Tim Masthay
S: Brett Goode

KR: Noel Devine, Sam Shields
PR: Noel Devine
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oh and i would mind if they settled for Richie Incognito either. Bring his fire to the oline and looks like he's finally smarted up.
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They need to re-sign guys like Des Bishop and especially Jenkins. I'm worried that they won't bring Jenkins back, though. I really hope they bring Jolly back to, he was emerging as a 3-4 DE force in 2009. I'd hope they give him another shot
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I want 100% of our off-season focus to be on SPECIAL TEAMS, starting with the ST coach. He needs to go.
Every other facet of our team has done well to good to great.

Then I want to draft 3 guys who have a great track record of being dangerous kick and/or punt returners.

We need to add some spark to that unit.

We need a guy back there like a Brandon Tate where teams elect to squib the ball to.
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I completely support trading Matt Flynn if there is a market for him. If Charlie Whitehurst can get a 3rd round pick I don't see why Flynn shouldn't get a 2nd. I doubt we can find a team as dumb as Seattle was though.
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I completely support trading Matt Flynn if there is a market for him. If Charlie Whitehurst can get a 3rd round pick I don't see why Flynn shouldn't get a 2nd. I doubt we can find a team as dumb as Seattle was though.
LOL- well, maybe Seattle again? Hasselbeck is terrible now.
Maybe we can get Leon Washington and a 3rd round pick.
Leon would give us our best return specialist since Desmond Howard, and special teams is what sucks the worst on this team of course.

I don't mind keeping Flynn either though knowing he's good enough to go in now and save games. The Detroit mess sucked, but he was rusty and hadn't done it before. Now he has (played well).
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I want 100% of our off-season focus to be on SPECIAL TEAMS, starting with the ST coach. He needs to go.
Every other facet of our team has done well to good to great.

Then I want to draft 3 guys who have a great track record of being dangerous kick and/or punt returners.

We need to add some spark to that unit.

We need a guy back there like a Brandon Tate where teams elect to squib the ball to.
At some point the Packers just need to stick it out with a Special Teams coach, they only get a new one almost every year or two. Packers have gone through 4 or 5 in the last 10 years (Stock, Novak, Bonamego, Slocum, and maybe someone else) Nothing improves when you change coaches constintly. Slocum has done better than Stock I think
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I thought our special teams did pretty well this year. If you look at the Patriots OG return, yeah that was awful, but every team has a bad play here or there. The Devin Hester TD sucked too but our offense put us in a terrible situation. I'd say our ST is a far cry from how terrible they were last year and although not good it's not time to break out the torches and pitchforks yet. We really, really need to draft a return man and use him as our #5 receiver though. (David Gilreath!!!!!!)
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My 2011 Packers Mock, V1.0

Free agent signings:
-None

Draft:

1- VON MILLER, OLB, Texas A&M, 6-3, 243



I have seen some analysts, and mocks here at SWDC that have him available when we pick. I'd be willing to trade up to get this guy if we had to.

As some others have written on the youtube comment board, he plus Matthews would equal devastation for opposing QBs of the Packers. Zombo has done a decent job. Poppinga is on the way out, Brad Jones can't stay healthy. Vin is relentless, has a similar motor to that of Matthews. He could use some work in his coverage, but they said the same thing about Clay coming out. Von actually has more fluid hips than Matthews does. Miller-Time is the real deal.

2-DARIUS MORRIS, OT, Temple

I know he doesn't fit the typical profile of our Offensive Line, but there are exceptions.
"Morris might be this year's Rodger Saffold. He's a versatile linemen with good strength, competitiveness, and a nice overall skill set. We like his ability to play both guard positions and right tackle in the league."
Saffold has been great for the Rams this year as a rookie. If Morris is anything like Saffold, he'd be a great pick for us here and a nice match with Bulaga for years ahead. Which guy plays Left tackle? TT & MM keep insisting Bulaga will.

3-DAVON HOUSE, CB, New Mexico St


4-ARMON BINNS, WR, Cincinnati

Armon Binns #80 of the Cincinnati Bearcats catches a touchdown pass over Joe Haden #5 of the Florida Gators during the Allstate Sugar Bowl at the Louisana Superdome on January 1, 2010

5-JAMES BREWER, OT, Indiana, 6-8, 331

TJ Lang seems like he's going to take over for Colledge at LG, and last year's rookie OT/OG Newhouse still hasn't shown he can be a starting OT in the NFL.
While I like Morris a lot, Brewer has a chance to be a bookend OT in the NFL with some work. Reminds me of a Sebastian Vollmer while at the U of Houston. Tall, seemingly stiff, but pass protects well. Remember, Bulaga is capable of becoming a Pro Bowl, mauling guard. If Brewer and Morris were to both magically turn out like a Saffold and both become solid OTs, you could make Bulaga and Sitton the 2 guards.

6-DA'REL SCOTT, RB, Maryland

Just had 200 yards on 13 carries this week in the Military Bowl win over ECU.
Only had 508 yards on the regular season, including -10 on 4 carries in his final home game.

7-TEJAY JOHNSON, S, TCU

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Nice mock J-Mike.

I personally like Von Miller, I know some on here do not. But I watched the Texas A&M - Nebraska game and he was a major reason for the Aggies win. He is very disruptive...My only concern about him is his weight and ability to set the edge in the run game. I do like that he has played standing up so there will be a pretty easy transition to the NFL.

If Ryan Kerrigan is there would you take him or Miller?

-If it were me I would take Kerrigan.

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Nice mock J-Mike.

I personally like Von Miller, I know some on here do not. But I watched the Texas A&M - Nebraska game and he was a major reason for the Aggies win. He is very disruptive...My only concern about him is his weight and ability to set the edge in the run game. I do like that he has played standing up so there will be a pretty easy transition to the NFL.

If Ryan Kerrigan is there would you take him or Miller?

-If it were me I would take Kerrigan.
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That's a good question... people seem to love Kerrigan. I have to see how fluid he is when he's asked to do those types of things at the combine, or the East-West shrine game, Senior Bowl, etc.

He definitely doesn't appear to have the fluidity that a Matthews does. But he's bigger.... if he can be the bull rusher off the edge that 34 OLB Merriman was before his steroids wore off, or like Lamar Woodley is, I'd take him.

But I believe Von Miller has the ability to cause chaos if teams continue to double team Matthews on 50% of snaps.

I'm still studying up on Akeem Ayers outta UCLA, and have heard some good things from the dude at Pitt.
Georgia has an OLB some people love. But Scott's not that high on him. Still, Scott, like all scouts, is wrong plenty of times on guys.
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my draft wishes:

-anyone who can make the offensive line more physical
-another pass rusher outside of Clay
-mid to late round QB to try and develop ala Brunell, Hasselbeck, Brooks, Flynn, etc.
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Kerrigan is one of my top prospects but he needs his hand in the ground. He'll go to a 4-3 team. We don't need a great pass rusher anyway. We need someone who can read the offense and flow to the ball well with good instincts. Mostly we need Brad Jones to not get hurt, but since he probably will, we need a better backup who is about a 3-5 round pick.

By the way, Kerrigan is listed at 6'4", 263. Coming out of college you'd have to assume he'd bulk up to the 270-275 range minimum, especially with his frame. That would be close to or maybe the biggest OLB in the league. He isn't athletic enough to pull it off, even at 260.
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Here's what Kiper says about us, and for the record, I strongly disagree with the RB in the first round.

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Top needs: OLB, T, RB

Pick strategy: Maybe the first team that could pull the trigger on the top RB on the board. The Packers could also consider a tackle, perhaps moving Bryan Bulaga along the line in the process.
They could also use an OLB opposite Clay Matthews, a player who could thrive as a rusher given the blocking attention Matthews will continue to get.
All thinks considered, and I felt the same way last draft, I want a beast OLB as our impact guy in the first round. OLB's can come in and have an immediate impact, as we saw with Matthews.

This year, I wanted Jerry Hughes so badly and thought he could be a great 34 OLB a la a rookie Shawne Merriman. But we have needed Bulaga.
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my draft wishes:

-anyone who can make the offensive line more physical
-another pass rusher outside of Clay
-mid to late round QB to try and develop ala Brunell, Hasselbeck, Brooks, Flynn, etc.
They think they have a good guy like that already in Graham Harrell, FWIW.
But if they like a guy in round 6 or 7 that they have a high grade on, they probably will take him.
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Here's what Kiper says about us, and for the record, I strongly disagree with the RB in the first round.

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Top needs: OLB, T, RB

Pick strategy: Maybe the first team that could pull the trigger on the top RB on the board. The Packers could also consider a tackle, perhaps moving Bryan Bulaga along the line in the process.
They could also use an OLB opposite Clay Matthews, a player who could thrive as a rusher given the blocking attention Matthews will continue to get.
All thinks considered, and I felt the same way last draft, I want a beast OLB as our impact guy in the first round. OLB's can come in and have an immediate impact, as we saw with Matthews.

This year, I wanted Jerry Hughes so badly and thought he could be a great 34 OLB a la a rookie Shawne Merriman. But we have needed Bulaga.
I can understand what he's saying with RB but most teams in the NFL will struggle on the ground with losing their starting RB. I still feel that if we ran a power scheme we'd at the very least have a managable run game. Bulaga and Sitton are good building blocks but we're going to need another tackle and a LG ASAP.

Another pass rusher opposite Matthews would be great but really, how many 3-4 teams have another stud rusher opposite each other? I can't think of any. The only one that comes close is with DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer. Even with that Spencer only has 3 sacks this season and his career high for a season is 6. Hell Zombo has 4 this season in limited action and Brad Jones had 4 last year in limited action as well.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, our needs are exactally the same as last season. OT, CB, and OLB. Take the BPA out of those 3 positions and hopefully fill in the rest later in the draft.
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I've said this before and I'll say it again, our needs are exactally the same as last season. OT, CB, and OLB. Take the BPA out of those 3 positions and hopefully fill in the rest later in the draft.
I'm on board with that.... we also, finally, need to address the return specialist position. Whether he's a 5th WR or 4th RB, or just a Josh Cribbs or Devin Hester for 3 years.
I know TT tried that with Cory Rodgers a few years ago, out of TCU, but special teams coach D*ck Stock untaught him how to field punts and messed with his head.
The guy was electric as hell though in college when he was catching them cleanly.
We need to find another guy like that and make sure we don't mess him up with how he catches the ball.

I actually wanted Joe Webb last year as the Josh Cribbs type.
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