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Old 01-02-2011, 08:10 AM    (permalink
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I was thinking a little about this last night:

Nick Barnett vs. A.J. Hawk vs. Desmond Bishop


We can only keep 2 of the 3 so ILB could be another area of need come April. Really at this point I'd like to see Hawk and Bishop get an extentions and cut Barnett. Barnett's only played in 29 of 48 games the past 3 years so that durability is starting to come into question. Hawk, while not flashy, is a solid and dependable player and Bishop is coming into his own as a starter.

My needs list in order:

1) CB
2) OT
3) OLB
4) OG
5) WR
6) ILB
7) RB
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Let Walk:

Brandon Jackson
Korey Hall
Daryn Colledge
Jason Spitz
Atari Bigby

Cut:

Mark Tauscher
Donald Lee
Brady Poppinga
Jarrett Bush
Spencer Havner
James Starks
Dimitri Nance
Derrick Martin
Graham Harrell
Brandon Underwood
Nick McDonald
Robert Francois
Diyral Briggs
Matt Wilhelm
Evan Dietrich-Smith
Josh Gordy
Josh Bell

Re-Sign:

Cullen Jenkins
James Jones
Mason Crosby
John Kuhn
Charlie Peprah

Free Agency:

Carl Nicks - 6 year deal
Champ Bailey - 2 year deal
Darren Sproles - 3 year deal

Draft:

1. Justin Houston - OLB - Georgia
2. Mikel Leshoure - RB - Illinois
3. Curtis Brown - CB - Texas
4. Clint Boling - OT - Georgia
5. Detron Lewis - WR - Texas Tech
6. Zane Taylor - C - Utah
7. Chris L. Rucker - CB - Michigan State

QB: Aaron Rodgers - Matt Flynn
RB: Ryan Grant - Darren Sproles - Mikel Leshoure
FB: John Kuhn - Quinn Johnson
WR: Greg Jennings - Donald Driver - James Jones - Jordy Nelson - Brett Swain
TE: Jermichael Finley - Andrew Quarless - Tom Crabtree
LT: Chad Clifton - TJ Lang
LG: Carl Nicks
C: Scott Wells - Zane Taylor
RG: Josh Sitton - Marshall Newhouse
RT: Bryan Bulaga - Clint Boling

DE: Cullen Jenkins - Mike Neal - CJ Wilson
NT: BJ Raji - Howard Green
DE: Ryan Pickett - Johnny Jolly
OLB: Justin Houston - Brad Jones
ILB: Nick Barnett - Brandon Chillar
ILB: Desmond Bishop - AJ Hawk
OLB: Clay Matthews - Erik Walden - Frank Zombo
CB: Trammon Williams - Sam Shields - Pat Lee
FS: Nick Collins - Charlie Peprah
SS: Charles Woodson - Morgan Burnett - Anthony Smith
CB: Champ Bailey - Curtis Brown

K: Mason Crosby
P: Tim Masthay
LS: Brett Goode
(KR/PR: Darren Sproles)


Nickel Defense
----------Collins---------Burnett
Williams.------------------------Woodson-------Bailey
-----Chillar----Barnett-----Matthews
------Jenkins----Raji---Neal
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Carl Nicks - 6 year deal
Champ Bailey - 2 year deal
Darren Sproles - 3 year deal
Come on now.
back to reality here..... This is the Green Bay Packers right, Ted Thompson still here?

They will not cut James Starks unless he totally F's up the game in Philly. They like him, a lot. They think he's going to be better than Ryan Grant is, starting in 2011 or 2012.
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I was kind of just combining two ideas with Champ Bailey. He's probably going to leave Denver for a winner, but yeah, probably not here. However, I do really like the idea of getting another corner and moving Woodson to SS, while being our nickelback as well. Not necessarily next year either though.

The other two aren't far fetched though. We need a Darren Sproles type back. Why not get Darren Sproles. I think teams have given up on the idea that he can be a starter so his price will have come down. Getting Sproles would allow us to let Jackson go and we wouldn't have to worry about a back in the draft unless we wanted to. And yeah, I really like Starks too, but in that situation he was the odd man out.

As for Nicks, we need a starting guard. Both Colledge and Spitz are free agents, and we're not going to go into the season with TJ Lang and rookies. At least I hope not. That means we're going to have to either get a free agent or re-sign Colledge. Colledge isn't going to come cheap. He's going to get at least $4 million a year, maybe closer to 5. Nicks could probably get something comparable to Jahri Evans' 7 year $56.7 million, which is a lot more than Colledge, but I'd rather pay top dollar for a top guard than sign Colledge for 5 years $23 million. Maybe go one step down from Nicks and get Davin Joseph, who fits our scheme better anyway.

Wishful thinking? Yes, but it makes a lot of sense.
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I'd rather sign Richard Marshall. Young, durable, and somewhat physical (averaged 84.5 tackles a season during his 5 year career.

No to Sproles too. I'd rather see Michael Bush or DeAngelo Williams.
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Michael Bush wouldn't bring anything to the table Kuhn doesn't already and DeAngelo is going to get a pretty big pay day. I would draft a RB because I like young, fresh legs, but without having a name to bring to the discussion I would be happy with Sproles assuming he gets paid like a #2.
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Michael Bush wouldn't bring anything to the table Kuhn doesn't already and DeAngelo is going to get a pretty big pay day. I would draft a RB because I like young, fresh legs, but without having a name to bring to the discussion I would be happy with Sproles assuming he gets paid like a #2.
While Bush and Kuhn have the same running styles, Bush is definitely a work horse. You have to remember Bush was considered the clear cut starter in Oakland before he broke his thumb. The Packers would be very wise to go after Bush, he might not bring anything different than Kuhn but hes someone who can force teams to respect your running game.
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Grant is our work horse and that isn't going to change next year. We don't need a big back. We need a backup that can catch screen passes and block. If he can return kicks, that's a big bonus.
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I never like Von Miller much, but after watching him closely in the Cotton Bowl I want nothing to do with him. He's a decent to good pass rusher, but he offers nothing in coverage and gets destroyed against the run. I'd rather have Jones/Walden/Zombo than him.
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I never like Von Miller much, but after watching him closely in the Cotton Bowl I want nothing to do with him. He's a decent to good pass rusher, but he offers nothing in coverage and gets destroyed against the run. I'd rather have Jones/Walden/Zombo than him.
You cant base anything about him on one game that you watched. I watched the same game and yeah he didn't play all that well. You have to take his whole body of work. I agree about his run defense, however, I think if he were to gain about 5-10 pounds he would be able to hold up much better. Your statement about him offering nothing in coverage is ridiculous. He has 1 INT, 6 pass break ups, and 7 passes defended this year.

For comparison, a guy that a lot of us like, Justin Houston, only had 2 pass break ups on the year. So if Miller offers nothing in coverage, I would hate to imagine what Houston can do.

I also watched Miller in the Nebraska game this year, and he consistently brought pressure and was a big reason as to why the Aggies defense won that game.


My Favorite 3-4 OLB prospects

1) Justin Houston
2) Ryan Kerrigan
3) Von Miller
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You cant base anything about him on one game that you watched. I watched the same game and yeah he didn't play all that well. You have to take his whole body of work. I agree about his run defense, however, I think if he were to gain about 5-10 pounds he would be able to hold up much better.
It wasn't based on the one game. That game just confirmed everything I thought from what I've seen previously.

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Your statement about him offering nothing in coverage is ridiculous. He has 1 INT, 6 pass break ups, and 7 passes defended this year.

For comparison, a guy that a lot of us like, Justin Houston, only had 2 pass break ups on the year. So if Miller offers nothing in coverage, I would hate to imagine what Houston can do.
Yeah, because passes defended and interceptions are are great measure of coverage ability. Also funny that you would mention Miller's interception, but not Houston's.
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With James Starks I don't think that TT will draft RB early. Too bad because the beast Mikel Leshoure is entering the draft and he could really flourish in the NFL. I still think OL has to be the point of emphasis. Wouldn't mind seeing Stefan Wisniewski, Gabe Carimi, or John Moffitt in a Packers uniform. Also, Lee Ziemba could be a dominant run blocking RT. Keep ARod clean. However, what if TT does not resign James Jones? WR round 1, there could be some good options.
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i would argue that (after walden showed up) kick/punt returne.r is far and away our #1 draft need. granted i think OLB opposite matthews is still a big void, but i think the return game has been lacking BIG TIME, and better field position time in and time out would take this team to the next level.

Needs:

1.KR/PR (jerrel jernigan PLEASE)
2.OLB
3.LG (replace colledge finally)
4.WR
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Come on now.
back to reality here..... This is the Green Bay Packers right, Ted Thompson still here?

They will not cut James Starks unless he totally F's up the game in Philly. They like him, a lot. They think he's going to be better than Ryan Grant is, starting in 2011 or 2012.
Ted has shown to target the best free agents at positions of need and target/sign multiple free agents in a offseason, but for him to throw that much money in one offseason is not "Ted like"
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i would argue that (after walden showed up) kick/punt returne.r is far and away our #1 draft need. granted i think OLB opposite matthews is still a big void, but i think the return game has been lacking BIG TIME, and better field position time in and time out would take this team to the next level.

Needs:

1.KR/PR
(jerrel jernigan PLEASE)
2.OLB
3.LG (replace colledge finally)
4.WR
5.OT
6.DE
7.SS
8.QB (flynn possibly traded?)
Ugh, is that really what you think is holding us back? I mean it would be nice to even have a descent return man but to list that as our number 1 need?
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Ugh, is that really what you think is holding us back? I mean it would be nice to even have a descent return man but to list that as our number 1 need?
well our only other obvious needs are OLB and OT. walden has played impressively, and while it is still a pressing need, its not as urgent as it once was. OT is another big one, but with cliftons resurgence this year, that another that isnt so urgent. Colledge could also use replacing, but hes decent enough in pass protection.

The reason i think WR/KR/PR is such a huge need is because of the fact that a steady return man increases offensive production exponentially. winning the field position battle is a MAJOR part of the game, and a top flight returner is a cheap way to increase offensive output.

I would argue that Jernigan is the #1 candidate for us in the late 1st because:

1. adds the element of speed to the offense that we dont currently have at all
2. is a perfect replacement for driver at the slot, and probably a huge upgrade.
3. from scott wrights scouting report, has top intangibles, and we know how much ted likes that
4. would be a top returner for years, and would improve this team at so many different levels

i cant think of a position to draft that would have the same effect that a quality WR/KR/PR would. feel free to add input if you think im off here
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i cant think of a position to draft that would have the same effect that a quality WR/KR/PR would. feel free to add input if you think im off here
I've already put in my input earlier in this thread. CB, OT, and OLB in any order.
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Top 10 Kick Returners in 2010:

Brad Smith - 4th
Eric Weems - Undrafted
LaRod Stephens-Howling - 7th
Stefan Logan - Undrafted
Brandon Tate - 3rd
Michhael Spurlock - Undrafted
Leon Washington - 4th
Marc Mariani - Undrafted
Brandon Banks - Undrafted
Deji Karim - 6th

Not a single player taken higher than the 3rd round and half of them were undrafted.
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I've already put in my input earlier in this thread. CB, OT, and OLB in any order.
why CB? we have 3 VERY solid players there, but i guess we could use a dime DB... but a top 3 need? wow
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why CB? we have 3 VERY solid players there, but i guess we could use a dime DB... but a top 3 need? wow
Woodson is on the back end of his career though and given the way the game has transformed into a passing league, the importance of solid players across the board in the secondary has never been higher...
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Woodson is on the back end of his career though and given the way the game has transformed into a passing league, the importance of solid players across the board in the secondary has never been higher...
sure but he is still a GREAT player, not to mention hes not even our top cover corner anymore. and shields to boot? i just dont understand the clamor for another DB. i cant argue their importance however, you can never have too many quality dbs.

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I'd love to add a top tier corner, like Brandon Harris or Jimmy Smith, but if it comes to us addressing the position later in the draft, i'd like to see Richmond's Justin Rogers targeted...he's been great while being a spider and offers tons of upside on special teams
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gimme a db that can be a top flight returner and im a happy man.
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gimme a db that can be a top flight returner and im a happy man.
You know it doesn't have to be the same player. You can get a good returner in the 4th round or later.
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You need more than 3 capable corners. If Woodson or Williams got injured we'd be screwed and back to Bush playing 60-70% of the snaps. Lee and Underwood both did not move forward at all this season and we need help. Shields has tons of potential, Williams is a #1 CB in my opinion and Woodson is getting old but still an elite playmaker but after them we have......crap. CB is a need OLB is a need, OL (C, OG, or OT to add depth but it all depends where they decide to stick Lang RT or LG).
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