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Old 01-12-2011, 07:33 PM    (permalink
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brandon boykin maybe?
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You need more than 3 capable corners. If Woodson or Williams got injured we'd be screwed and back to Bush playing 60-70% of the snaps. Lee and Underwood both did not move forward at all this season and we need help. Shields has tons of potential, Williams is a #1 CB in my opinion and Woodson is getting old but still an elite playmaker but after them we have......crap. CB is a need OLB is a need, OL (C, OG, or OT to add depth but it all depends where they decide to stick Lang RT or LG).
i wholeheartedly agree that bush and underwood are complete chumps, but is CB4 really a top need? id love to see it adressed later in the draft, but WR/KR/PR, OLB, MLB, OT i think are far more important to address earlier rather than later. ted has proven that he can find capable dbs later in the draft or even as undrafted FA's
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Top 10 Kick Returners in 2010:

Brad Smith - 4th
Eric Weems - Undrafted
LaRod Stephens-Howling - 7th
Stefan Logan - Undrafted
Brandon Tate - 3rd
Michhael Spurlock - Undrafted
Leon Washington - 4th
Marc Mariani - Undrafted
Brandon Banks - Undrafted
Deji Karim - 6th

Not a single player taken higher than the 3rd round and half of them were undrafted.
point taken and i agree. the only way id want to take a returner earlier than the 3rd is if he can step in and contribute as a replacement to driver (jernigan), as a 3rd/4th CB, or as a quality scat back to go with starks/grant. versatility is key.

regardless of where we take one, we NEED a returner.
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i wholeheartedly agree that bush and underwood are complete chumps, but is CB4 really a top need? id love to see it adressed later in the draft, but WR/KR/PR, OLB, MLB, OT i think are far more important to address earlier rather than later. ted has proven that he can find capable dbs later in the draft or even as undrafted FA's
MLB? I'm hoping that was a mistake.


And actually, CB is the one position that Thompson hasn't had success drafting. He's found Williams and Shields as UDFAs, which is incredible, but every corner he's drafted has been a bust.



With our first round pick I want an OLB, OT, or CB. Best available player out of those three positions.
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our MLBs may be deep, but they are very average
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Top 10 Kick Returners in 2010:

Brad Smith - 4th
Eric Weems - Undrafted
LaRod Stephens-Howling - 7th
Stefan Logan - Undrafted
Brandon Tate - 3rd
Michhael Spurlock - Undrafted
Leon Washington - 4th
Marc Mariani - Undrafted
Brandon Banks - Undrafted
Deji Karim - 6th

Not a single player taken higher than the 3rd round and half of them were undrafted.
And that doesn't even mention Josh Cribbs, who was not a high draft pick.

Who the hell is Mark Mariani and why is he on a list like this and not Josh Cribbs? LOL
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Mariani is the AFC pro bowl returner.

And it's a list 1-10 of kick return average in 2010. Cribbs really didn't have a good year returning this season.
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And that doesn't even mention Josh Cribbs, who was not a high draft pick.
Cribbs wasn't even a drafted and he was a QB at Kent State. Funny seeing Brad Smith was also a college QB.
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KR don't need to be fast, at all. We need to find one who's quick and can find that open seem and hit the hole, similar to a one-cut back.
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Cribbs wasn't even a drafted and he was a QB at Kent State. Funny seeing Brad Smith was also a college QB.
Yeah I remember reading some scout's take on (the now Viking) Joe Webb, and they compared him to Cribbs.... both in terms of size and running ability, and background as college QB, a la Brad Smith (and Reggie McNeal from TX A&M a few years ago).

That's the type of KR I want.
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What do you guys think of Anthony Spencer as a possible Packer OLB next year?
Would he be an upgrade over Zombo, BJones, Walden?

Down here in Big D, they want to make a lot of changes, and he's a guy that they feel really underperformed this year and there's some discussion of parting ways. Same with Mike Jenkins the CB. I want no part of him. But Spencer would interest me.
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Spencer is still under contract next year for just $1 million. No way they cut him.
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I know it's a pipe dream but picture Tramon on one side, Asomugha on the other, and Woodson at safety/slot. Unfortunately, even if Thompson was tempted to stray from his conservative FA philosophy, the market for his services will be sky high. And there is probably already too much $$ committed to the secondary with Woodson, Tramon, and Collins, to take a real shot at him.
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Honestly, I don't think Spencer would be much, if any, of an upgrade to the guys we already have. If Zombo stayed healthy he should have at least matched Spencer's production and he's a rookie making the transition to LB.

Don't get me wrong we could use an upgrade at the position but Spencer had 3 years starting with DeMarcus Ware opposite him and produced 12.5 sacks. In 2 years with a combination of Kampman, Jones, Zombo, and Walden we've totaled 13.5 sacks opposite Matthews.

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I wouldn't mind him but I'd like to see a guy like Richard Marshall instead. He can do it all and he's only 26 years old. Having him and Trammon together would lock up the position for years to come IMO.
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i think we need to give some credit to mccarthy and thompson on how well put together this team is. Three years ago this team was aged and had several key wholes and over the past three years we have formed into a playoff team that can afford to take picks in the first three rounds that arent needs and let them sit back and learn so that when the players we have start to lose a step they are ready to pick up the slack left behind which is wat the pats steelers and colts are constantly able to do every year and helps them remain on the top
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If we were to draft Carimi, would we switich to a man blocking scheme?
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If we were to draft Carimi, would we switich to a man blocking scheme?
I doubt TT will take Carimi. I also seriously doubt he'll EVER switch from the ZBS. He's got a real unique sort of stubborn- a few concepts here and there that he will NEVER EVER shift from short of a glaring catastrophe that he can't explain away.

Speaking of which, did he REALLY once make a 'Guards are Interchangeable' comment during his first year on the job?
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I doubt TT will take Carimi. I also seriously doubt he'll EVER switch from the ZBS. He's got a real unique sort of stubborn- a few concepts here and there that he will NEVER EVER shift from short of a glaring catastrophe that he can't explain away.

Speaking of which, did he REALLY once make a 'Guards are Interchangeable' comment during his first year on the job?
This deserves a "common man". You really think TT selects what style of running scheme the Packers run. That job belongs to MM and his crew.
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Well, he DOES select the personnel to begin with, does he not?
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Well, he DOES select the personnel to begin with, does he not?
Ted hired McCarthy, McCarthy chooses his assistants and what schemes they'll run.
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Well, he DOES select the personnel to begin with, does he not?
He doesn't just select any players he wants and make McCarthy adapt to them. He drafts the best players for what McCarthy wants to run. When he started he was drafting 4-3 players because that's the defense McCarthy was using. McCarthy switches to a 3-4 and Thompson drafts 3-4 players. It's no different on offense. Thompson is drafting ZBS lineman because that's the scheme McCarthy wants to run. If McCarthy wants to switch to a power blocking line he can, but that's his choice to make, not Thompson's.
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If we were to draft Carimi, would we switich to a man blocking scheme?
I don't think you would need to switch. Could be just me but Carimi is a pretty athletic guy and that is what you need to be a ZBS tackle. They will pick who fits the scheme and I don't see why Carimi would be an abssolute no for a ZBS.
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I think we are going to need to draft skill position in the first round or trade up or trade down. I say that because, I believe that all the good OT prospects are going to be selected before the Pack picks, and the 3-4 OLB (Houston, Smith, Miller, Kerrigan) will be selected as well. I see a guy like Jon Baldwin being there at WR, maybe a corner in Jimmy Smith or Williams from Texas, and probably Mikel Leshoure and Williams from VT at RB. There is always the chance TT goes DL and picks up Cameron Heyward, who I think is a perfect 3-4 DE.

One OL who could be there when the Packers pick is Barksdale out of LSU. I personally don't think he is a LT, but I think he could be a great guard and possibly a RT. Our OL could look like this:

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Barksdale will be there in round three if the Packers want him
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Originally Posted by bigboiajhawk View Post
I think we are going to need to draft skill position in the first round or trade up or trade down. I say that because, I believe that all the good OT prospects are going to be selected before the Pack picks, and the 3-4 OLB (Houston, Smith, Miller, Kerrigan) will be selected as well. I see a guy like Jon Baldwin being there at WR, maybe a corner in Jimmy Smith or Williams from Texas, and probably Mikel Leshoure and Williams from VT at RB. There is always the chance TT goes DL and picks up Cameron Heyward, who I think is a perfect 3-4 DE.

One OL who could be there when the Packers pick is Barksdale out of LSU. I personally don't think he is a LT, but I think he could be a great guard and possibly a RT. Our OL could look like this:

Bulaga, Barksdale, Wells, Sitton, Lang
or
Bulaga, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Barksdale
TT wont draft barksdale. weve never had any OL's play for us that were african-american. could be purely coincidence, but all of our linemen have always been white, save newhouse last year but i dont think he ever played or suited up this season. (correct me if im wrong here)
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