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Old 09-13-2010, 06:56 PM    (permalink
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Ugh. Yep. That was even a playoff game. Just horrible. Lovie Smith needs to be fired, for sure.

Lovie Smith challenges what I said.
Lovie Smith challenges his challenge.
Bears are now out of challenges.
This made me laugh. Well played, sir.
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Ugh. Yep. That was even a playoff game. Just horrible. Lovie Smith needs to be fired, for sure.

Lovie Smith challenges what I said.
Lovie Smith challenges his challenge.
Bears are now out of challenges.
Lovie Smith called a timeout so that he could then call a challenge. Yes this actually happened.
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Lovie Smith called a timeout so that he could then call a challenge. Yes this actually happened.
Then lose that challenge.
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Lovie Smith called a timeout so that he could then call a challenge. Yes this actually happened.
This is not the rarest of things. Although i agree it's definitely stupid.
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Lovie Smith called a timeout so that he could then call a challenge. Yes this actually happened.
Oh, I remember it. He lost that challenge.
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Coaching in the NFL is like playing Blackjack with drunk friends that have a basic strategy card in front of them.

It's all written down, everyone who has been around football knows what they should do but despite it being proven time and time again that it works they decide to do something different. It's like basic strategy has gone out the window and no longer applies if you ask the coaches.

The last few years are just amazing with some of the calls that coaches make these days, I mean it's cool to go against the trend and all but sometimes people have always done something because it works and it doesn't need fixing.
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Coaching in the NFL is like playing Blackjack with drunk friends that have a basic strategy card in front of them.

It's all written down, everyone who has been around football knows what they should do but despite it being proven time and time again that it works they decide to do something different. It's like basic strategy has gone out the window and no longer applies if you ask the coaches.

The last few years are just amazing with some of the calls that coaches make these days, I mean it's cool to go against the trend and all but sometimes people have always done something because it works and it doesn't need fixing.
I like this analogy, sure the plan is there and they know what to do but damn if they don't **** it up anyway.
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Also Jason Garrett is terrible all around, most cowboy fans have been screaming it for years now, at least it's noticeable. Good news is that he shouldn't end up our Head Coach at this point so there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Both Garrett's & Wade Phillips' inadequacies as coaches were exposed for the world to see Sunday night. Garrett was trying to showcase their top draft pick Dez Bryant & let him get those YAC yds. he was famous for so he threw quick passes to him with no downfield pattern run .... 5 of them. The Skins had him in press coverage right at the LOS, they knew it from the 1st pass & they hit him as soon as he caught it allowing zero yds.

If your plan that looks great on paper doesn't work in reality, why keep going to it? It looked like what it was, Garrett going for the flashy risky play instead of playing to the team's strengths. The whole game was like that, the insane play before the half that became a fumble returned for a defensive TD, one high risk play that resulted in disaster after another. This is how you hand an inferior talented team a W.

The major blame for that loss is on the coaching staff IMO, not only the playcalling but also the total lack of discipline that was apparent on the Cowboys: 16 penalties, wow, that's just inexcusable.

Then there is Rex Ryan, whose pugnacious personality was arrogantly displayed in the press conferences with all that bombast about "I'm not here to win friends .... we're here to win the SB & that's it." I wonder how those doses of hubris tasted when he had to eat them Monday night, his team looked like Dallas North from the previous night, penalty after defensive penalty reflecting a poorly coached, undisciplined defense that obviously lacked practicing the fundamentals they had forgotten since HS or before. It seems every yr. there's a HC in the NFL with that "Not here to make friends" speech & a bully personality who's humiliated by an underachieving team performance on the field, Ryan got his in Wk. 1, record time!

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Give Charles the ball Todd.
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My only complaint is keeping Johnson in the game and giving him garbage carries, I know he wants yards and we love him but damn keep the tread on the tyres.
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Matt Moore isn't great, and because of that, the Panthers shouldn't be throwing the ball 3 times from the four yard line.

He wasn't put in a position to succeed, and he didn't. In fact, he looked quite terrible. That's the jist of that game.
Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams. Let's pass within the 5.
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I do like having him in the NFL, his style is better than "we did some things well... we need to assess... it happens..." or the other 50 canned responses we hear.
I think I'm being mis-understood here. I like Rex Ryan as a personality. I probably like Rex Ryan the person too (the fact Tony Dungy dislikes him makes him a winner in my book). I just think his open mouth policy is going to blow up in the Jets face big time (and obviously, I kind of hope it does). Especially if they go 4-12. Then not only do you have the media (the new york media, none-the-less) breathing down your throat, you are also a major target for every NFL team because they want to shut up your loud mouth coach.

I think Rex's plan only works for a year or maybe 2 before it blows up in his face. Having said that, obviously I look like an idiot for predicting that now because they look like such a good team.
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The Childress supporters need to show themselves after the absolutely brutal showing Thursday. Peterson absolutely owning and the passing game isn't there yet? The obvious choice is to keep throwing to the softest piece of **** receiver in league history.
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Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams. Let's pass within the 5.
I seriously would be perfectly happy with a 70/30 run pass split with the way Carolina is built. Those two got 1100 + each, they could get 1500 each if Fox and Davidson would wake the **** up instead of forgetting they've got two brilliant backs on the roster not getting carries.
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it does make me lol, those two along with ronnie and ricky are the best running back tandems in the league and you guys just ignored them last weekend
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They ignored em in the 2nd half for some reason. in the first half they ran the rock a ton, but it was getting stuffed.

Chan Gailey was hilarious with the safety, then high punt that was meant to be an onside kick but was just fair caught.

Oh Chan. You silly silly goose.
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I seriously would be perfectly happy with a 70/30 run pass split with the way Carolina is built. Those two got 1100 + each, they could get 1500 each if Fox and Davidson would wake the **** up instead of forgetting they've got two brilliant backs on the roster not getting carries.
You guys have my two favorite backs in their respective draft classes, I really don't know why you don't just give them the ball on every play.
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how about the jets giving sanchez 14 pass attempts up until the last drive? how the hell does a young qb feel comfortable when the coaches wont give him a chance to throw the ball
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I don't understand why Todd Haley and Norv Turner kept going for it on 4th down, too aggressive at non-critical junctures, it is not a necessary risk. Football games are won using field position.
Did you ever call it! Norv did it again and went for it on 4th much to early on MNF.
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Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams. Let's pass within the 5.
Classic case of coaches over thinking the gameplan. "Well, we have the best RB tandem in the league so they obviously think were gonna run it here, let's fool them and throw a pass with our below average QB, they won't know what hit em!".


Hate when coaches fail to realize that execution and players is more important then trying to be cute and catch the other team off guard. The best running teams have always been the ones that run, run, and even when everyone in the stadium knows it's coming run again and still execute.


I'm not saying to just run the ball all game without any sense no matter the outcome, but coaches try and get cute all the time.
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You want to talk about bad coaching,

In Singletary’s first full season last year, offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye, one of the more respected veteran coaches in the league, was calling plays from the coach’s box upstairs. Raye would call plays down to offensive assistant Jason Michael, who would then send the play into the quarterback. That system worked effectively even at times when Raye struggled to find exactly the right play or say it exactly the right way.

“It seems like Jimmy calls plays from memory a lot of the time and not exactly the way it’s written down,” said one of the aforementioned sources, adding that the plays often get garbled. “He knows the plays and he knows the right thing to call, but he’s fumbling through his papers and it’s like, ‘Hey, we need to get a play called.’ ”

Michael, who worked closely with Raye, was good at filling the gaps in communication. However, one of the problems created by the Raye-Michael relationship was that it began to alienate quarterback coach Mike Johnson(notes), whose involvement in building the game plan had diminished. In addition, some players began to resent Raye’s tendency to blame them if things went wrong.


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I can't fathom how Jimmy Raye still has a job in the NFL. He was a ****** coordinator back in the 90s.
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The worst coaching of the week was the Panthers to me. It was painful watching them force it with Matt Moore and ignore those two studs. Stewart was given no opportunity. Nothing against Goodsen (i think) either, but he was in more plays the 2nd half than the other two combined (he did the shotgun formation).

Completely ignored the run in the redzone. Unacceptable.
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