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Old 10-20-2010, 11:47 AM    (permalink
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We're not talking about just this year, and Orton hasn't been outplaying Ryan. We're talking about misguided people thinking Matt Ryan is a below average starting QB. Guys like Kyle Orton do not rank above Ryan as a starting QB on any reasonable list. Ryan is making franchise QB money on a winning team. Kyle Orton has to play on a one year contract for a bad team.

What does this have to do with anything at all? What was even the point of mentioning this? At one point Matt Leinart was making franchise QB money and Kurt Warner was on a year to year contract also. I'm not sure what point your trying to make but bringing up contracts has nothing to do with it.
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Right, Jamarcus Russell was making more money than Tom Brady and Drew Brees were IIRC.

Contracts don't determine who's better.

By the way, I do like Matt Ryan.
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If that is what we're talking about then this is a no-contest. Matt Ryan is better across the board.
Read the whole thing first man thats not what me and halsey were on anymore.

Thats what the thread started out and what was being discussed before he claimed ryan better than a bunch of arguably as talented (or better) qbs then said anyone who says different is crazy and wasting his time. then he went all absurdly hypocritcal in a half a dozen ways after i called him out for making idiotic and baseless comments and mostly for being a huge homer.

Id say between the two yeah Id probably take ryan, hes more consistent and Flacco has all these new weapons but still isnt bringing it together for some reason.

But me and him were talking about Orton and Ryan.
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Orton's system inflates his statistics. I think everyone should know that now. Defenses will catch on, like they did last year, and they will destroy the Broncos passing attack in the 2nd half of the season.. watch for it. He started out even hotter last year.
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Yeah for the record, I'm not in the group that thinks Orton is better than Ryan.
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Orton's system inflates his statistics. I think everyone should know that now. Defenses will catch on, like they did last year, and they will destroy the Broncos passing attack in the 2nd half of the season.. watch for it. He started out even hotter last year.
Do you really think Tim Tebow is ready?

I know this is a Ryan/Flacco discussion, but Kyle Orton has been very impressive this year, especially with NO RUNNING GAME!

He lost one of the best WR's in Brandon Marshall and is still putting up numbers. Orton is showcasing his skills to QB needy teams for 2011 or 2012 because the Broncos are going to turn to Tebow sometime. (something tells me it might be at the end of this year, when they are basically out of contention).
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Do you really think Tim Tebow is ready?

I know this is a Ryan/Flacco discussion, but Kyle Orton has been very impressive this year, especially with NO RUNNING GAME!

He lost one of the best WR's in Brandon Marshall and is still putting up numbers. Orton is showcasing his skills to QB needy teams for 2011 or 2012 because the Broncos are going to turn to Tebow sometime. (something tells me it might be at the end of this year, when they are basically out of contention).
the broncos knew when they drafted him Tebow wouldn't be ready to play QB in the NFL for another one, possibly two, maybe even three seasons. That's what they bought and that's what they got. Josh MacD is thanking his lucky stars that Orton is looking good.
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Psssh it was all part of the plan. ;)
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lol at people saying Cutler is better than Matt Ryan...

Yeah, I know it's just one week, but do you still feel that way?
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I guess Ryan is better than Brees too.

Like you said, one week doesn't make an argument.
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It's not like this week was all that unusual. Ryan played well and Cutler was a turnover machine. Pretty much like most weeks.
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I guess Ryan is better than Brees too.

Like you said, one week doesn't make an argument.
Let's not act like Cutler sucking is just a one week affair.
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It's not like this week was all that unusual. Ryan played well and Cutler was a turnover machine. Pretty much like most weeks.
It was a home game, he is like 16-1 at home
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Is that supposed to be an argument against Ryan?
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Is that supposed to be an argument against Ryan?
I am just saying he sucks playing away games thats all
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I am just saying he sucks playing away games thats all
So being good at home means he's automatically bad on the road? Disagree. He's just better at home, which is pretty normal.
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Ryan definitely doesn't suck on the road, he's not as good, but he doesn't suck.
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I just watched the Broncos-Raiders highlights. Kyle Orton better than Matt Ryan lol! Some of you are too funny!
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I just watched the Broncos-Raiders highlights. Kyle Orton better than Matt Ryan lol! Some of you are too funny!
I like both Flacco and Ryan. But just to show what you did there.

Hey did you guys watch Flacons-49ers highlights too funny, or Falcons-Steelers.


Also I'm pretty sure Raiders have one of the better pass D this year, with Namdi playing more man.
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Now everytime Ryan has a bad game I'm going to just insert a Qb that had a good game the same day and say, lol Ryan is better then that QB? Psssh too funny as an argument. Great logic there Halsey.
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No, I don't see what you did there. The Falcons beat the 49ers and lost to the Steelers(best defense in the NFL) in overtime. The 49ers win included a game winning drive, led by Ryan. Orton just played like complete ass against the Raiders in Denver.
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Now everytime Ryan has a bad game I'm going to just insert a Qb that had a good game the same day and say, lol Ryan is better then that QB? Psssh too funny as an argument. Great logic there Halsey.
The problem for you is that I will continue to be right about Ryan being better than guys like Cutler and Orton. When I point out a specific game, it's supporting the correct side of the argument.
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No, I don't see what you did there. The Falcons beat the 49ers and lost to the Steelers(best defense in the NFL) in overtime. The 49ers win included a game winning drive, led by Ryan. Orton just played like complete ass against the Raiders in Denver.
Except Ryan got completely bailed out in the 9ers game by a ******* WR forcing a fumble on an INT
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