2010 Rookie Watch

[Saints-Tigers]

Berry finished this year ridiculously strong after a bit of a rough start.

Berry is a sure fire all pro IMO, Earl Thomas actually turned out better than I expected, but Berry is going to be that dude.

Nothing to be said about N'dominant Suh.

In South, yea, Blount is a beast, wanted him sooo bad. Can't believe a big nasty back dropped so hard for being aggressive and having anger issues, that just made me want him more :P Tennessee REALLY dropped the ball though, they are going to run CJ2k into the ground, when they could have his thunder right now.

[katnip]

i don't know how the rest feel on here. But the bucs blount and mike williams are really good for rookies. doesn't blount have almost 1000 yards already?

[Chucky]

Bucs are the first team to start 10 or more rookies in a season and finish with a winning record. Dayum. What a sexy draft class.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

Just so everyone knows, Jerry Hughes still sucks.

[katnip]

Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

Just so everyone knows, Jerry Hughes still sucks.

i thought he'd be good too, wanted the Jets to draft him

[Saints-Tigers]

Jerry Hughes had all the warning signs of a olb/de tweener.

[V.I.P]

Originally Posted by katnip

i don't know how the rest feel on here. But the bucs blount and mike williams are really good for rookies. doesn't blount have almost 1000 yards already?

Yeah, Blount has 941 on 182 touches, 5.2 avg. Mike Williams has 924 yards. Both have a chance of hitting the 1k mark.

[irishbucsfan]

Originally Posted by Polamalu_is_God

What abouit this? Does this get your juices flowin?

I love it when you talk dirty.

I have no idea how a 250lb man jumps that high, and lands at full speed. Lawyer Milloy was at waist height for god's sake.

[Scotty D]

Sack #9, played a great game.

[proshoota25]

nothing spectacular from mccourty today. bills really didnt throw at him much. had a few tackles. sexyyyyy rookie

[Saints-Tigers]

How many seasons before Gerald McCoy notches his 9th career sack? Year 3? Maybe the end of year 2?

[irishbucsfan]

McCoy's a disruptor his impact doesn't show up in stats lolzzzzz

[Morton]

Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

Berry finished this year ridiculously strong after a bit of a rough start.

Berry is a sure fire all pro IMO, Earl Thomas actually turned out better than I expected, but Berry is going to be that dude.

I wouldn't be so quick to crown Berry. Just because he gets an easy pick-6 on a Kerry Collins floater doesn't mean he's going to be an "sure fire all pro". He's certainly looked *better* than earlier in the season, but then again, he was awful the first six weeks or so. He's slightly above-average at this point, nothing more.

Earl Thomas, in my opinion, hasn't been playing well at safety at all. He is a liability in the running game, and despite a few INTs, he's merely average in coverage. All those fears about him being too small to effectively playing safety in the NFL might have been right on the mark.

Obviously these two players have a chance next year to improve, but as of right now, I'm not particularly impressed by either safety.

[Bengals78]

It's more than the pick 6. He has been good against the run all year and has gotten better. He has also grown A LOT in terms of coverage over the year. He looked lost at times but really picked it up.


Oh yeah...CARLOS DUNLAP IS TEH GREATEST!!111!!!!

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

How many seasons before Gerald McCoy notches his 9th career sack? Year 3? Maybe the end of year 2?

Ya I know. Sacks are the number one(and only) way to judge a DL, actually watching the games is beyond pointless. SACKZZZZZZZZ

[Bengals78]

Originally Posted by Chucky

Ya I know. Sacks are the number one(and only) way to judge a DL, actually watching the games is beyond pointless. SACKZZZZZZZZ

Let's face it, sacks are what get you noticed. Are they the only thing? No. But in terms of getting on TV etc...you need sacks to be considered great. I dont agree with it. But it is how it is. Justin Smith was fantastic here but he wasnt a 20 sack guy so he was a "bust" here.

[bucfan12]

Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

How many seasons before Gerald McCoy notches his 9th career sack? Year 3? Maybe the end of year 2?

Honestly you can see how there isn't even a pulse on our D-Line since McCoy went on IR. The Bucs shut down guys like Ray Rice, Frank Gore, and Michael Turner 3 weeks in a row. He goes down and they give up 100+ games to guys like Maurice Morris and Mike Tolbert. The D-line can't even get pressure on any QBs and had to use more LB blitzes than they usually do just to get in a QB's Face.

When McCoy was in the lineup, he was there only threat. They would double him every time and would still get some pressure.

You need to start watching more tape and quit looking at stats because if he even had some quality starters at both DEs, he would have more sacks on the stat sheet.

But remember, "Stats are for losers."

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by Bengals78

Let's face it, sacks are what get you noticed. Are they the only thing? No. But in terms of getting on TV etc...you need sacks to be considered great. I dont agree with it. But it is how it is. Justin Smith was fantastic here but he wasnt a 20 sack guy so he was a "bust" here.

Sure it is how you get noticed in the national media, but this is a football forum and when certain fans on this board say how McCoy sucks because he doesn't get Sackzzzzzzzz then it is just stupid as they haven't seen one game or actually watched the game play.

[Bengals78]

Originally Posted by Chucky

Sure it is how you get noticed in the national media, but this is a football forum and when certain fans on this board say how McCoy sucks because he doesn't get Sackzzzzzzzz then it is just stupid as they haven't seen one game or actually watched the game play.

Which is probably true or they dont know much about the team part of a football game. A lot of people get their majority interpretations of players from highlights on ESPN.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by Bengals78

Let's face it, sacks are what get you noticed. Are they the only thing? No. But in terms of getting on TV etc...you need sacks to be considered great. I dont agree with it. But it is how it is. Justin Smith was fantastic here but he wasnt a 20 sack guy so he was a "bust" here.

True. The only defensive linemen who are noticed but don't get sacks are the big 34 defensive linemen and they have to be exceptional to get any mention. Everyone loves looking at the box score and seeing someone with 3 sacks and assume they were great. Then they see someone like Vince Wilfork etc with no tackles and think he must have had a subpar game. However anyone who sees Wilfork play will notice his dominance. It was the same with Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith etc. These players are only starting to be noticed now with the increase in awareness of what they need to do in a 34 scheme.

[keylime_5]

I don't think I've seen two rookie corners in the same season play as well as Devin McCourty and Joe Haden are playing. Those guys are both shutdown corners already pretty much.

Eric Berry has officially arrived. He's been getting better each week. Great safety class this year....which makes up for a shoddy safety class this coming April.

Also, he's not a rookie but it's good to see that Brian Robiskie is starting to show up. He's looked pretty good ever since the Panthers game, and looked real good yesterday against Baltimore.

[Morton]

Originally Posted by Bengals78

It's more than the pick 6. He has been good against the run all year and has gotten better. He has also grown A LOT in terms of coverage over the year. He looked lost at times but really picked it up.

He's playing at a slightly above-average level. Alot of safeties are good against the run and decent in coverage.

As a #5 overall pick, I expect a more game-changing presence. You can find run-stopping safeties at any level of the draft. For a safety to be #5 overall, or even top 10, he has to be an elite run-stopper, big-time hitter, and an elite cover man all at once, imho. Obviously, he still has the rest of this season and all of next season to impress, but so far, he's definitely no Ronnie Lott (another DB taken top 10 with much fanfare but who became a game-changer in his rookie year) or Deion Sanders (the same deal, basically).

[killxswitch]

Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

Just so everyone knows, Jerry Hughes still sucks.

He doesn't suck. He played maybe 5 snaps yesterday and got a pressure on one of them. He just never plays. The same guys keeping him out of the lineup are the guys that put 255 lb. Keyunta Dawson at DT for half of his snaps. When he gets opportunities he shows speed, moves, and better-than-expected strength. He will be a good player.

[no bare feet]

Originally Posted by Morton

He's playing at a slightly above-average level. Alot of safeties are good against the run and decent in coverage.

As a #5 overall pick, I expect a more game-changing presence. You can find run-stopping safeties at any level of the draft. For a safety to be #5 overall, or even top 10, he has to be an elite run-stopper, big-time hitter, and an elite cover man all at once, imho. Obviously, he still has the rest of this season and all of next season to impress, but so far, he's definitely no Ronnie Lott (another DB taken top 10 with much fanfare but who became a game-changer in his rookie year) or Deion Sanders (the same deal, basically).

Ronnie Lott played CB his rookie year and had a rookie year that only rivals Mark Carrier for defensive backs.

What about the rookie years of other hallf of famers or other top 10 picks that have sucked?

Michael Huff
Donte Whitner
Roy Williams
Sean Taylor
Laron Landry
Eric Turner
Stanley Richard

I noticed you hating on Eric Berry a lot. Why is that? Other than the first few games, he has lived up to the billing.

[yourfavestoner]

I'd say Berry's rookie year was on-par with Sean Taylor's. People forget how much Taylor struggled in his first two seasons.