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I felt like Matt Ryan did that a lot in college against weak Big East competition, and I was very sure that he would fail in the NFL. I have been eating crow on that from Day 1.

I haven't seen enough Kolb tape/had time to break it down in order to draw my conclusions. I was basing my faith in Kolb on my faith in Reid/Banner/The Eagles to evaluate talent. They had an 11 year track record of pretty much always making the right call in that regard.
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I felt like Matt Ryan did that a lot in college against weak Big East competition, and I was very sure that he would fail in the NFL. I have been eating crow on that from Day 1.

I haven't seen enough Kolb tape/had time to break it down in order to draw my conclusions. I was basing my faith in Kolb on my faith in Reid/Banner/The Eagles to evaluate talent. They had an 11 year track record of pretty much always making the right call in that regard.
That's the thing. If you gave me all that tape and told me Kolb is a rookie, I'd say, this kid has potential.

But 4 years bro. 4 years of OTAs, 4 years of training camp, 4 years of PS, 4 years of spot duty, 4 years to learn the offense, 4 years to sit behind a borderline HOF qb and learn from him.

And he's still doing it. That's the problem. He's not a rookie. Its his 4th year. I know he lacks game experience, but 4 years is 4 years. At least show me you can look off a safety after 4 years. That's my problem.

But again, I could be wrong. And if I am, I'll be the first to admit it. I just don't see it.
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I felt like Matt Ryan did that a lot in college against weak Big East competition, and I was very sure that he would fail in the NFL. I have been eating crow on that from Day 1.

I haven't seen enough Kolb tape/had time to break it down in order to draw my conclusions. I was basing my faith in Kolb on my faith in Reid/Banner/The Eagles to evaluate talent. They had an 11 year track record of pretty much always making the right call in that regard.
After I watched Ryan single handedly beat the Hokies in the rain I knew that kid was gonna be special. Shame on you my friend :)
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He is essentially a rookie because as good as practice and TC and mop up duty are, you really have to learn on the job. My biggest problem related to Kolb in Week 1 was that he looked unprepared for GB. That is a matter of off the field work. The looking off/making reads stuff can come with some time and better prep.

When I looked at Kolb's skill set coming out of Houston, I saw a more mobile version of Matt Hasselbeck. At this point, I'm still holding out hope that he can develop. Fighting back from a failure at this point is substantial. Weeks 3 and 4 will tell us a whole lot...
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He is essentially a rookie because as good as practice and TC and mop up duty are, you really have to learn on the job. My biggest problem related to Kolb in Week 1 was that he looked unprepared for GB. That is a matter of off the field work. The looking off/making reads stuff can come with some time and better prep.

When I looked at Kolb's skill set coming out of Houston, I saw a more mobile version of Matt Hasselbeck. At this point, I'm still holding out hope that he can develop. Fighting back from a failure at this point is substantial. Weeks 3 and 4 will tell us a whole lot...
I expect him to do better than he did at GB. I remember seeing a stat where he does significantly better in the shotgun vs under center. I wonder if he comes out in the gun more this week.
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There were people who were sure Aaron Rodgers would fail after Favre left. The Eagles won't and shouldn't give up on Kolb yet. However, that doesn't mean they're going to ignore how Vick has played so far.
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He ran out of the gun in college in a pure spread offense that allowed him to move and isolate to half the field. He should have better instincts and be able to make better throws than he did in Week 1. I am curious to review the game to see how he is progressing.
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Reid has already said that Vick will get more than 5-6 snaps. That is a tough thing to do to Kolb. It really messes with his rhythm.
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Yeah I don't agree with giving Vick too many snaps this coming game. If he comes in and does great during his snaps, and Kolb struggles, Kolb is going to lose that lockerroom.

If you want to help Kolb, give the opposition a strong dose of McCoy. Put the Wildcat on the shelf for a week, let Kolb get his groove.
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What about Vick to the vikings in the off season? Vick gives them the best chance to win now. They still have to give Kolb a year to prove what he has. Beware the contract year.
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Yeah I don't agree with giving Vick too many snaps this coming game. If he comes in and does great during his snaps, and Kolb struggles, Kolb is going to lose that lockerroom.

If you want to help Kolb, give the opposition a strong dose of McCoy. Put the Wildcat on the shelf for a week, let Kolb get his groove.
I really like Vick as a goal-line QB. His speed really helps open up the field for an Eagles team without a big threat to throw the fade to...
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Vick is going to take the most money he can get in a city that will afford him the ability to make even more money off the field. He is still in bankruptcy, and his creditors are going to be coming after him. He needs a huge dose of guaranteed money. So, you look at the teams who might be in need of a QB: Minnesota, Carolina, Seattle, Arizona, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Cleveland, Oakland.

Which teams are likely to offer Vick the big money + get the off the field endorsements he is craving? Oakland (SF), Minnesota (Minneapolis is very underrated), Arizona, and Philly. If the Eagles decide Kolb is not their QB of the future, they will try to lock Vick up. Vick might be amenable because the Eagles gave him a huge chance out of prison. After that, I think Arizona and Oakland will be huge on him. Oakland might win bc Al Davis is nuts, plus that Oakland team really isn't bad...
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I'm glad to see my man doing well. He's just incredible to watch. Can't wait to see him with a starting job next year.
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I think some people will assume it's in the Eagles best interest if Kolb plays poorly and gets out of Vick's way. Not true. It's a good problem for a team to have two good QBs. If they both play well this season, maybe the Eagles can franchise Vick and then trade one of them. I don't think there's any reason the Eagles wouldn't be able to franchise Vick. I could be wrong about that. Recent history has proven that QBs can be traded relatively easily.
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I hope he goes to Carolina Vick to Steve Smith and those 2 running backs OMG.I would also be fine if he signed with Oakland because of DMC or Minnesota
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Kolb gets in rhythms?
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I think some people will assume it's in the Eagles best interest if Kolb plays poorly and gets out of Vick's way. Not true. It's a good problem for a team to have two good QBs. If they both play well this season, maybe the Eagles can franchise Vick and then trade one of them. I don't think there's any reason the Eagles wouldn't be able to franchise Vick. I could be wrong about that. Recent history has proven that QBs can be traded relatively easily.
I highly doubt the Eagles would invest the amount it will take to franchise Vick. With Peyton, Brady, and McNabb due to get extensions already, plus Bradford and Stafford's monster deals, the single season cost would be something like $20mm or more.

Plus, in the upcoming strike, I think the NFLPA is going to fight really hard to make the franchise tag go away or be even more punitive. Prob not a great option.
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After watching them in person yesterday, I think Vick is exactly what Jacksonville needs. Garrard is on the brink, and that team needs a shot of energy. Jones-Drew looked pretty depressed out there. The few fans I saw at the game were very doom and gloom.

Is it at all possible that Kolb looks competent in the next few weeks and a team steps up and trades for Vick this season, then extends him?
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Vick to Oakland????? With Campbell struggling and Gradkowski the only QB we have I can see Al bringing him in
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After watching them in person yesterday, I think Vick is exactly what Jacksonville needs. Garrard is on the brink, and that team needs a shot of energy. Jones-Drew looked pretty depressed out there. The few fans I saw at the game were very doom and gloom.

Is it at all possible that Kolb looks competent in the next few weeks and a team steps up and trades for Vick this season, then extends him?
Jacksonville won't trade for him. After all the arrests of Shack Harris players, Gene Smith and Wayne Weaver are on a "character" kick right now.

I don't think there's any way Philly trades him, either. If they trade both McNabb and Vick while Kolb goes down in flames, it's not going to be pretty. Heads will roll.
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Vick looked amazing last week. That deep ball to Desean was right on the money and his intermediate passes had such zip on them they got to the recievers almost instantly. No one besides fat depressed moustache man andy reid would be dumb enough to start kevin kolb over him. ewww kevin kolb..... how can anyone think he will be good? ughggh
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