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Old 09-22-2010, 12:00 AM    (permalink
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kevin kolb is a terrible football player. ewww. Eagles fans need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that kolb is never going to be a franchise Qb
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This is just such a huge mistake, for the time being Andy Reid is going to be praised as a genius because Vick will win games, but Andy Reid just risked the immediate future of the Eagles. What happens when Vick walks after this season? The Eagles are back to square one at QB, you've got Kolb who Andy Reid clearly doesn't trust any longer. The Eagles needed to develop Kolb, not bench him and break his confidence. Now the Eagles are going to have to go back, try and develop Kolb even though they've tossed him aside. Now the Eagles have to get a new franchise QB, waste the talents of DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Brent Celek. Plus Andy Reid likely just committed the Eagles to at the very least 3-4 seasons of losing because when Vick leaves the Eagles are S.O.L and Andy Reid will likely be gone after 2012 when the Eagles have had a terrible team for the second year in a row without a franchise QB.

Worst decision of Andy's career, he went for the short sighted solution and this will come back to bite him.
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And who's to say Vick can't be the future? Kolb isn't a rookie. He's been developing behind McNabb for years.
You don't develop on the bench. Playing in a game is so much different than playing the backup cheerleaders in practice.

In a year or two when Vick's speed and burst die, he will have to try to be a pocket passer - which he sucks at.
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Please, this is a huge philosophical shift for Philadelphia.

If Kolb is healthy and fully able to go, choosing to start Vick here means that you hope Vick starts the whole season. If Vick starts the whole season (meaning he succeeds), there'd be no logical reason to go with the guy you choose to bench instead of him moving forward. Philadelphia has potential set in motion a situation where Michael Vick is their QB for the near future.

That is a huge change from this past offseason, when the team traded the face of their franchise to give Kolb a chance to shine, gave the kid a new contract, and generally did everything possible to set the stage for him beginning his career as an NFL starter.

Don't act like this is a few games. This is a vote of confidence (or lack thereof).
From an organizational standpoint, yes. But what I was talking about was the people saying you have to play the young QB in order for him to develop further by getting active game reps and that benching him now would stunt that, causing reprocussions that would screw the Eagles for years to come. I think that's an exagguration, especially considering Kolb is coming off a concussion, and Vick could easily lose this upcoming game and poof, Kolb is the starter again.

Anyway, I'd rather not try to decipher Philly's philosophy. They've done a few things lately that've really had me scratching my head.
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i don't have an issue with benching a young QB who's struggling with simple things like looking off safeties and what not, getting that taste lets him come back to the bench and learn so much of what got taught to him more thoroughly with that game experience to compare with. It's a good way to get a young player to reflect and start developing again if they go all deer in the headlights on you. Plus with the concussion you've got the built in rationale of being careful with him, to further soften the blow of not starting and getting him to focus on improving his decision making and scanning of the field.
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This is just such a huge mistake, for the time being Andy Reid is going to be praised as a genius because Vick will win games, but Andy Reid just risked the immediate future of the Eagles. What happens when Vick walks after this season? The Eagles are back to square one at QB, you've got Kolb who Andy Reid clearly doesn't trust any longer. The Eagles needed to develop Kolb, not bench him and break his confidence. Now the Eagles are going to have to go back, try and develop Kolb even though they've tossed him aside. Now the Eagles have to get a new franchise QB, waste the talents of DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Brent Celek. Plus Andy Reid likely just committed the Eagles to at the very least 3-4 seasons of losing because when Vick leaves the Eagles are S.O.L and Andy Reid will likely be gone after 2012 when the Eagles have had a terrible team for the second year in a row without a franchise QB.


Worst decision of Andy's career, he went for the short sighted solution and this will come back to bite him.
This is the worst decision of Andy's career? Pshhhh how about trading your franchise Qb to a division rival, for kevin kolb. Getting rid of Mcnabb was by far and away his worst decision, specifically to the redskins. Starting Vick is the SMART thing to do here, hes playing at a very high level right now. Maybe you guys can franchise him then trade him for some picks to get Mcnabb back.
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I have no idea why all of you seem so sure Vick is a solution for just this year. If he plays well enough Im sure he would love to stay in Philly
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An overlooked aspect, definitely.

The Eagles only extended Kolb for one year. They could easily cut/trade him and/or extend Vick.
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Exactly, if Vick plays well and they find success then there is no reason for him to not stay with the Eagles. Kolb is only signed through 2011 so its not like they are financially committed to him for the long term. If Vick can lead this team to the playoffs, he could easily become their franchise quarterback. I'm sure he would like to stay with the team who gave him a fair shot at a return and is generally a stable franchise that is consistently competitive.
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Vick is also bankrupt. He's got a strong incentive to go where he can get the most money. Unless Philly extends him now, I don't think it's a given he would stay even after a successful season.
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Philadelphia Daily News proclaims Vick to be Eagles' "Top Dog"



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That headline is wrong and classic at the same time!!!

I don't see much difference in how GB handled Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Either Vick totally blows up and leads Philly to the NFCCG and beyond, or the Eagles make the playoffs, win a game or two, and VIck is gone via FA.

I still believe Reid has Kolb in his future plans, but no sane HC keeps a pro bowler like Vick on the bench to aid the development of an inferior QB.
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I don't see much difference in how GB handled Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Either Vick totally blows up and leads Philly to the NFCCG and beyond, or the Eagles make the playoffs, win a game or two, and VIck is gone via FA.

I still believe Reid has Kolb in his future plans, but no sane HC keeps a pro bowler like Vick on the bench to aid the development of an inferior QB.
The difference is that Kolb was supposed to be Aaron Rodgers. There was no Vick in the Green Bay situation. If Vick makes the playoffs and the pro bowl (as you seem to be insinuating), why the hell would the Eagles let him go? Why would they hold an inferior QB as their future solution?

This was supposed to be Kolb's time. If he's lost it, there's good reason to think he's lost it for good in Philly. Whether Vick is either on another team or sitting behind him, Kolb has lost the fan confidence for good. I have to imagine the Eagles know exactly how much they're damning Kolb, because if they don't they're stupid.
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Vick is also bankrupt. He's got a strong incentive to go where he can get the most money. Unless Philly extends him now, I don't think it's a given he would stay even after a successful season.

While he will have a strong motivation to go for the money, I think Vick is very comfortable in Philly (close enough to his hometown in VA), the money on and off the field will be good, and he gets to work with young weapons like Jackson, Maclin, Celek, and McCoy. Also don't forget that the Eagles took a huge gamble on him when many other teams didn't. Likelihood is that he'll take the up front money now if the Eagles choose to extend him. Why risk it when there's a potential strike/lockout in 2011?
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This is just such a huge mistake, for the time being Andy Reid is going to be praised as a genius because Vick will win games, but Andy Reid just risked the immediate future of the Eagles. What happens when Vick walks after this season? The Eagles are back to square one at QB, you've got Kolb who Andy Reid clearly doesn't trust any longer. The Eagles needed to develop Kolb, not bench him and break his confidence. Now the Eagles are going to have to go back, try and develop Kolb even though they've tossed him aside. Now the Eagles have to get a new franchise QB, waste the talents of DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Brent Celek. Plus Andy Reid likely just committed the Eagles to at the very least 3-4 seasons of losing because when Vick leaves the Eagles are S.O.L and Andy Reid will likely be gone after 2012 when the Eagles have had a terrible team for the second year in a row without a franchise QB.

Worst decision of Andy's career, he went for the short sighted solution and this will come back to bite him.
Kolb has had four ******* years to develop. You praised him incessantly and swarmed the board with endless pro-Kolb arguments, and now, Kolb let you down. You can't go four ******* years of learning the system and then average 2.4 ypa. Let it go, Thumper. Kolb sucks. He's not a ******* franchise QB, he's not a starting QB, and he's not even a good ******* backup.
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I am disappointed that the team put so much positive PR out there about Kolb, then completely changed course. I feel bad for Kolb, too. At the end of the day, Andy Reid made this decision, probably with push from management. As a fan, I will support the team, but I feel a bit played where they traded the best QB in franchise history to a division rival to start one guy, then they immediately took the job from him to give it to the backup. If that were the plan all along, why not just tell us that? I feel played as a fan...
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I definitely feel bad for Kolb, I was really rooting for him to play well and had high hopes for him (I am a homer after all) but I think this is the right move. Kolb didn't get in the end zone at all in preseason and Vick has clearly outplayed him and earned the starting job. Part of me wishes they would part ways with Kolb and try to find a new future in the draft next year, though I highly doubt Reid gives up on Kolb any time soon, too invested.
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If that were the plan all along, why not just tell us that? I feel played as a fan...
That obviously wasn't the plan. The plan was for Kolb to start. He did, and looked like crap. Vick came in and looked great. Vick played the next game and looked great.

I don't think Reid has any plan. I'm GUESSING he wanted to start Kolb, which is why he said he would the day before. And I'm GUESSING management told him he's a fat slob who has been holding the team back for... his entire tenure, and if he didn't start the better player, they would start a better coach.
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I definitely feel bad for Kolb, I was really rooting for him to play well and had high hopes for him (I am a homer after all) but I think this is the right move. Kolb didn't get in the end zone at all in preseason and Vick has clearly outplayed him and earned the starting job. Part of me wishes they would part ways with Kolb and try to find a new future in the draft next year, though I highly doubt Reid gives up on Kolb any time soon, too invested.
**** Kolb. Don't suck when you've had this much preparation.
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It's not like Reid can't change his mind again if he decides he'd be better off with Kolb starting. If Kolb is good enough he'll find his way back onto the field, eventually. For all we know, Vick will turn an ankle on the 3rd play of the next game and Kolb will be right back in. Vick just looks really good right now is a more talented, experienced player than Kolb.
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That obviously wasn't the plan. The plan was for Kolb to start. He did, and looked like crap. Vick came in and looked great. Vick played the next game and looked great.

I don't think Reid has any plan. I'm GUESSING he wanted to start Kolb, which is why he said he would the day before. And I'm GUESSING management told him he's a fat slob who has been holding the team back for... his entire tenure, and if he didn't start the better player, they would start a better coach.
I disagree strongly about Andy Reidís influence on the franchise. He came to an Eagles team in 1999 that had very little talent and no direction. He, Modrak, and Banner drafted McNabb, then rebuilt the team around a quality secondary (Taylor, Vincent, and Dawkins), 2 solid OTís (Thomas and Runyan), an average RB (Staley), a decent TE (Chad Lewis), and a young QB working with trash WRís (Pinkston, Thrash, Na Brown, Freddie Mitchell, Charles Johnson , Torrance Small). He took those guys to the playoffs in his second year and to the NFL Title Game in his third year.

Reid is the winningest coach in Eagles history. He took them to 5 NFC Title Games and 1 Super Bowl appearance. He has 109-68 regular season record and a 10-8 playoff record. Yes, he and the team are 1-4 in the NFC Championship Game and 0-1 in the Super Bowl, but would you rather have what Reid has given over the last 11 years or the Redskins (81-97, 3 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win, 0 division titles).

Yes, Reidís clock management and use of timeouts is subpar. However, his offenses move the ball and get things done. The playcalling could be better, but they get results. In the end, Iíd rather be a contender every year and have a shot to go all the way than the alternative. Very few coaches have had a better tenure than Reid, and I stand by him based on the past. At a certain point, he might have to go, but that moment is not 2010-2011.
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This is just such a huge mistake, for the time being Andy Reid is going to be praised as a genius because Vick will win games, but Andy Reid just risked the immediate future of the Eagles. What happens when Vick walks after this season? The Eagles are back to square one at QB, you've got Kolb who Andy Reid clearly doesn't trust any longer. The Eagles needed to develop Kolb, not bench him and break his confidence. Now the Eagles are going to have to go back, try and develop Kolb even though they've tossed him aside. Now the Eagles have to get a new franchise QB, waste the talents of DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Brent Celek. Plus Andy Reid likely just committed the Eagles to at the very least 3-4 seasons of losing because when Vick leaves the Eagles are S.O.L and Andy Reid will likely be gone after 2012 when the Eagles have had a terrible team for the second year in a row without a franchise QB.

Worst decision of Andy's career, he went for the short sighted solution and this will come back to bite him.
Actually, its the right move I think. What do you think would happen if Kolb was doing bad this start and Vick came in and finished the game? That would ruin Kolb even more. Right now Andy has enough reasons to say why Vick will be a starter ( more mobility, OL injuries) so that way Kolbs fragile confidence doesn't go away. That way, if Vick does bad, Kolb can come in.
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