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Shut down corner. 2 INTs, 1 TD. 253 return yards on punt returns and 2 TDs and another 190 yards on kick returns through 4 games and a huge contributor in the wins against West Virginia and North Carolina.

Not sure what else can be asked of a defensive back.
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that would be great if it went to the best CB every year.
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UConn, Notre Dame, UMass, and Bowling Green.

An FCS school and 3 FBS schools with a combined record of 4-8 and those wins have been against Texas Southern, Buffalo, Purdue, and Marshall. While Denard Robinson's achievements are very impressive, I have a hard time saying he should win the Heisman without playing a single relevant football game so far when put up against what Patrick Peterson has done.

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Is he on Woodson's level? Woodson was the only defensive player to win the award and I don't think Peterson is having the same impact. If they wouldn't give it to Suh I don't see them giving it to Peterson. Is Peterson shutting down elite QBs and WRs? Who is the best WR he has covered?
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Patrick Peterson is a great player and I would love to have him on the Lions next year. But I highly doubt he would win the Heisman. The only primary defensive player to do that was Charles Woodson. When Woodson was at Michigan he did it all. Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. So unless Peterson starts playing offense I don't think he will win it. Besides, the football gods have already spoken.:-D

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Is he on Woodson's level? Woodson was the only defensive player to win the award and I don't think Peterson is having the same impact. If they wouldn't give it to Suh I don't see them giving it to Peterson. Is Peterson shutting down elite QBs and WRs? Who is the best WR he has covered?
Was just thinking this.
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I'm probably a bit biased in not wanting Peterson to win the Heisman, but I really don't think he should. Peterson is a fantastic corner, but he doesn't dominate the way that Charles Woodson dominated. What Woodson did that year was special. I don't think we're going to see a comparable performance from a defensive back in a long, long time. Ndamukong Suh had a season last year that was on par with what Woodson did in 1997, and he finished 4th.
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UConn, Notre Dame, UMass, and Bowling Green.

An FCS school and 3 FBS schools with a combined record of 4-8 and those wins have been against Texas Southern, Buffalo, Purdue, and Marshall. While Denard Robinson's achievements are very impressive, I have a hard time saying he should win the Heisman without playing a single relevant football game so far when put up against what Patrick Peterson has done.
What is so relevant about LSU's opponents? Their ridiculously impressive .500 record? LSU struggled to beat a North Carolina team that missing almost every defensive starter. They also struggled to beat an extremely overrated West Virginia team who almost lost to Marshall.

Ohio State played one school that is worse than most of the top FCS schools and the other three schools have a combined 4-7 record with three of those wins coming against Ohio, Florida A&M, and Wofford.
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Maybe you guys should argue who the best player in the country is, instead of who should win the Heisman? The Heisman is a joke. The best player is the best player, regardless of who his team schedules.
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I mean he isn't the most conditioned player as I saw in the UNC game.. and second year man Jheranie Boyd had 6 receptions for a ridiculous 221 yards. Joshua Adams the big man also late in the game was playing physical with Peterson and took advantage of him. Don't get me wrong, he is probably a top 10 pick for sure but he has his flaws (very little). He is dynamic in the return game as well but LSU could still put up 8 wins without him. Andrew Luck means everything to Stanford as does a dark horse in LaMichael James.
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I mean he isn't the most conditioned player as I saw in the UNC game.. and second year man Jheranie Boyd had 6 receptions for a ridiculous 221 yards. Joshua Adams the big man also late in the game was playing physical with Peterson and took advantage of him. Don't get me wrong, he is probably a top 10 pick for sure but he has his flaws (very little). He is dynamic in the return game as well but LSU could still put up 8 wins without him. Andrew Luck means everything to Stanford as does a dark horse in LaMichael James.
If not for Peterson, your UNC Tar Heels win that game. The Mountaineers would have also beaten LSU if not for Peterson. That's 2 of their 4 games.
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Nope, that was not sarcasm. The odds that that pic could be taken at that precise angle and pose are astronomical, Im sure. Im not saying its a premonition buts itd be cool if he won it.

I dont really have a favorite college team btw.
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What is so relevant about LSU's opponents? Their ridiculously impressive .500 record? LSU struggled to beat a North Carolina team that missing almost every defensive starter. They also struggled to beat an extremely overrated West Virginia team who almost lost to Marshall.

Ohio State played one school that is worse than most of the top FCS schools and the other three schools have a combined 4-7 record with three of those wins coming against Ohio, Florida A&M, and Wofford.
Rawr. Defensive UM fans are cute. Denard has a chance if UM goes over .500 in the Big11 this year. That's gonna tough for RichRod to handle.

Also, the Heisman is a joke.
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You would probably need some offensive stats to win it for a DB besides kick returns. As of now the guy from Michigan is lock city but Patrick should be in New York for the award.

Ironically a DB could allow no catches and therefore not be on any stat sheets and would not get any consideration for the award.
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If Denard wasn't playing out of mind this year, I'd vote for Peterson.
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You would probably need some offensive stats to win it for a DB besides kick returns. As of now the guy from Michigan is lock city but Patrick should be in New York for the award.

Ironically a DB could allow no catches and therefore not be on any stat sheets and would not get any consideration for the award.
Yeah, it's dumb. Or a DL could get double and triple teamed and not get many sacks, TFLs, etc...

It's a stupid populist award. It's almost always been awarded to the best offensive skill position player on one of the best teams. There are few exceptions. Maybe 10%. Woodson deserved it, and it's surprising he got it. Man I still hate that guy...
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Few things of interest for me:

Anyone have the thrown at stats for Woodson and Peterson?

Comparing Suh's 4th last year lends no comparison to Peterson this year based on quality of class. Robinson's worst game will most likely be vs tOSU which will take him out of contention. Mallett will fall out. Pryor could do something going undefeated and have a great michigan game, although we all know how bad michigan's defense is. That leaves Moore, Ingram, and Luck basically infront of him. If Luck loses to Oregon and someone else he would be out. No one cares about Moore. And Ingram has some catching up to do.

The thing that will separate Peterson and Woodson is that Michigan went 12-0 that year, Woodson made the most amazing interception ever, and had an amazing last game vs tOSU. LSU will likely not go undefeated, and early year interceptions/returns quickly get forgotten. His only chance would be if LSU made it to the SEC championship game and he gave some kind of highlight performance
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Comparing Suh's 4th last year lends no comparison to Peterson this year based on quality of class. Robinson's worst game will most likely be vs tOSU which will take him out of contention. Mallett will fall out. Pryor could do something going undefeated and have a great michigan game, although we all know how bad michigan's defense is. That leaves Moore, Ingram, and Luck basically infront of him. If Luck loses to Oregon and someone else he would be out. No one cares about Moore. And Ingram has some catching up to do.
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