College Gameday Thread: Week 6 - Page 18

LizardState · 10-09-2010, 06:45 PM

It's all about Ohio St. now & nobody else but ....... bet the ranch on it. They had the good fortune to be playing the Big 10's designated basketball school today in FB.

Look at their remaining schedule compared to everyone else.

bearsfan_51 · 10-09-2010, 06:46 PM

The BCS has been so kind to Ohio State in the past that I think there is this built in assumption with their fans that they will always get the breaks.

Also, the computer rankings have nothing to do with the polls. Unless you think Sagarin is just basing his formula off of what Terry Bradshaw thinks.

bearsfan_51 · 10-09-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LizardState

It's all about Ohio St. now & nobody else but ....... bet the ranch on it. They had the good fortune to be playing the Big 10's designated basketball school today in FB.

Look at their remaining schedule compared to everyone else.

They lost to Purdue last year.

RealityCheck · 10-09-2010, 06:49 PM

Cincy is just destroying Miami Ohio.

LizardState · 10-09-2010, 06:52 PM

LSU in mustard yellow, Florida in babyshit orange. God I love HD tv.

I'm officially pissed at McElroy & Bama now & have had 3 Sapporos & Bitburgers, so should I become I Stanford or Cal fan? Get your votes in, the lines are open.

bearsfan_51 · 10-09-2010, 06:52 PM

By the way, in my latest update I've got Ohio State-Oregon in the title game (although I'm waiting on LSU-Florida). But I wouldn't be shocked if Oklahoma was ahead in the polls due to SOS to this point. I think by the end of the year if both won out, Oklahoma would get the nod, particularly with the added value of a win over Nebraska in the B12 title game.

Oddly enough, tonight's Miami-FSU game should add to the equation as well. See ACC, you are still relevant.

GB12 · 10-09-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

The BCS has been so kind to Ohio State in the past that I think there is this built in assumption with their fans that they will always get the breaks.

Also, the computer rankings have nothing to do with the polls. Unless you think Sagarin is just basing his formula off of what Terry Bradshaw thinks.

Still though there are two human polls, each of which count just as much as the computers.

Smooth Criminal · 10-09-2010, 06:54 PM

If Ohio state runs the table they will be in the national championship.

LSU and Auburn will both obviously make it if they go undefeated. Seems unlikely either of them make it thru a brutal schedule. I think Oregon drops one at this point as well.

I still like Bama to win the SEC. I'd still put them in over Boise if that happens, their schedule is simply brutal.

I think the most likely scenario is Ohio State vs. Oklahoma for the national title. That said, there's still a ton of football left and anything can happen.

wonderbredd24 · 10-09-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

The BCS has been so kind to Ohio State in the past that I think there is this built in assumption with their fans that they will always get the breaks.

If going undefeated in 2001, going undefeated in 2006, and being one of the last 2 1-loss teams in 2007. then yes, the BCS has given Ohio State all the breaks. How kind of the BCS to allow Ohio State to go to those National Titles.

soybean · 10-09-2010, 06:55 PM

Oregon is going to hang 50 with a backup qb. I know it's against Wazzu but still.

Note: I am not arguing Oregon vs. Ohio State just pointing out the mere dominance of their offense.

bearsfan_51 · 10-09-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Still though there are two human polls, each of which count just as much as the computers.

Of course, but we're talking about a scenario in which there are three undefeated teams.

So, let's say that Ohio State is still #1 in both polls. There's still no way in hell they will get all of the #1 votes, which means the value of the human polls will be split up pretty evenly. You can't necessarily say the same for the computers, which are much less subjective.

I can't really explain it more than that without typing up 5-6 pages, but a quick google search on the BCS formula would do the trick.

wonderbredd24 · 10-09-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Still though there are two human polls, each of which count just as much as the computers.

Human polls are 2/3 of the equation.

LizardState · 10-09-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

Oregon is going to hang 50 with a backup qb. I know it's against Wazzu but still.

Note: I am not arguing Oregon vs. Ohio State just pointing out the mere dominance of their offense.

This is after all the PAc 10 & not noted for dominant defenses. I'm leaning toward Stanford b/c they have a rare decent defense, & Andrew Luck who will be #1 overall pick in whatever draft he enters.

lowlife · 10-09-2010, 06:59 PM

All this will be made irrelevant since Ohio State is going to lose to Iowa anyway.
Ask Told, he'll tell ya.

iowatreat54 · 10-09-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Human polls are 2/3 of the equation.

Meaning each poll is 1/3, with the computer being 1/3.........

1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1

bearsfan_51 · 10-09-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Human polls are 2/3 of the equation.

But, again, being #1 doesn't just automatically get you X amount of points over the #2 team.

If Ohio State gets 39 first place votes, and Oregon gets 35 first place votes. It's not going to make a lick of difference, and the computers are going to play a huge role.

And if you weren't an Ohio State fan, you'd realize how silly the Rose Bowl argument sounds in terms of swaying voters this year.

iowatreat54 · 10-09-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lowlife

All this will be made irrelevant since Ohio State is going to lose to Iowa anyway.
Ask Told, he'll tell ya.

I am an Iowa fan, and I approve this message. The rest of the country can thank us later. Just like 08 with PSU.

GB12 · 10-09-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

The BCS has been so kind to Ohio State in the past that I think there is this built in assumption with their fans that they will always get the breaks.

Also, the computer rankings have nothing to do with the polls. Unless you think Sagarin is just basing his formula off of what Terry Bradshaw thinks.

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Of course, but we're talking about a scenario in which there are three undefeated teams.

So, let's say that Ohio State is still #1 in both polls. There's still no way in hell they will get all of the #1 votes, which means the value of the human polls will be split up pretty evenly. You can't necessarily say the same for the computers, which are much less subjective.

I can't really explain it more than that without typing up 5-6 pages, but a quick google search on the BCS formula would do the trick.

Right, but I don't understand why you think it's a sure thing Oklahoma would be ahead of Ohio State if they're both undefeated. Ohio State will be #1 in the polls tomorrow. Typically the number one team keeps most of their first place votes unless they lose. I know they'll lose some of those votes if there are other undefeated teams, but you'd figure Ohio State would still keep the majority, no?

EDIT: Alright, I guess I kind of get what you're saying now. I'm just not so sure the votes will be as close as you're thinking.

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Human polls are 2/3 of the equation.

That's what I said.

bearsfan_51 · 10-09-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Right, but I don't understand why you think it's a sure thing Oklahoma would be ahead of Ohio State if they're both undefeated. Ohio State will be #1 in the polls tomorrow. Typically the number one team keeps most of their first place votes unless they lose. I know they'll lose some of those votes if there are other undefeated teams, but you'd figure Ohio State would still keep the majority, no?.

I'm actually not sure that Oklahoma would be ahead today, I mispoke about that. Like I said, in my own thread I have Ohio State in the title game as of now.

But I do think down the stretch if both teams are undefeated, Oklahoma would make up the difference in the polls to allow their computer ranking to put them over the top.

Anyone that simply says that Ohio State wins out and they are in doesn't really understand the process. But it's a moot point anyway, at least one of these teams is going to lose. Probably more than that.

wicket · 10-09-2010, 07:04 PM

Jefferson being jefferson

wonderbredd24 · 10-09-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

But, again, being #1 doesn't just automatically get you X amount of points over the #2 team.

If Ohio State gets 39 first place votes, and Oregon gets 35 first place votes. It's not going to make a lick of difference, and the computers are going to play a huge role.

And if you weren't an Ohio State fan, you'd realize how silly the Rose Bowl argument sounds in terms of swaying voters this year.

Where do preseason polls come from? The previous season's result combined with the guesstimation of evaluating team's rosters. And how important are preseason polls? Incredibly important, because jumping people is not easy and it always, always favors teams that start out higher.

So Ohio State winning the Rose Bowl last year in dominant fashion was a huge reason why they were #2 to start out the year. Now, they are going to be #1 with Alabama's loss. That is a huge advantage and that is how important the Rose Bowl win is and how it does factor in and since it is up to the human element, I guarantee you it will factor in should their be a close race at the end of the season, which could and probably would put Ohio State in the National Title over Oregon. To say it is completely irrelevant is just silly. You're dealing with human pollsters.

If Boise State didn't win the Fiesta Bowl, they'd be TCU this year and TCU would be Boise State this year. TCU is at a distinct disadvantage, because they have to provide a convincing argument why they should jump Boise State in the polls, which is difficult when people don't see many of their games.

niel89 · 10-09-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LizardState

LSU in mustard yellow, Florida in babyshit orange. God I love HD tv.

I'm officially pissed at McElroy & Bama now & have had 3 Sapporos & Bitburgers, so should I become I Stanford or Cal fan? Get your votes in, the lines are open.

Get on the Stanford band wagon, its still relatively empty. We have a top qb and are a program on the rise as long as harbaugh is here.

Stanfords stadium> Cals stadium, if you want to go to a game.

bearsfan_51 · 10-09-2010, 07:07 PM

Go with Cal. Public school.

wonderbredd24 · 10-09-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by iowatreat54

I am an Iowa fan, and I approve this message. The rest of the country can thank us later. Just like 08 with PSU.

In a rare occurence, the game will be played in the Rose Bowl. Unfortunately for Iowa, that's west of the central time zone, so they are boned.

LizardState · 10-09-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by iowatreat54

I am an Iowa fan, and I approve this message. The rest of the country can thank us later. Just like 08 with PSU.

We all love Iowa b/c of the caucuses, being 1st makes you the trendsetters. Also best mental health program of any state & they're famous for it, they had a high suicide rate & fixed it.

Yeah Iowa has to do it, & Auburn has to beat Bama to get there. Otherwise Ohio St. cruises. LSU has a shot thx. to the Tennessee fail last weekend with 13 players on the field. LSU has this killer defense full of super athletes including Peterson but their coach is a dimbulb. They have Bama at home too.

How did Deunta Williams do in the UNC-Clemson game?