Larry Fitzgerald, what can be done?

CC.SD · 10-04-2010, 05:06 PM

Forgive me for making some snap judgments based on only a few games but one of my favorite players, Fitz, is in a real predicament here fellas.

He is basically the only healthy weapon the Cardinals have, and the cavalry that's rushing to help him is what? Early Doucet and Steve Breaston? These guys are both talented but they are barely seasoned veterans and no better than #3s in a perfect world.

His team has no O-line. The wheels have fallen off that bus and it's killing his chances to go deep.

His team has no QUARTERBACK because Derek Anderson doesn't count and Max Hall isn't ready. Fitz is leading the league in targets but only has a handful of catches because nobody on the squad can even put the ball near him.

The Cardinals have stumbled into a couple wins and play in a bad division which means they have a legit chance of playing themselves out of the Locker/Luck even (gasp) Mallett sweepstakes.

Am I the only one thinking that no help is coming for Fitzgerald? Is he really stuck in Arizona forever? He's a team first guy and under contract but I for one would like to see him get shopped around the league just for the sake of his career. He can do great things but it's looking bad right now. These are just my opinions.

BuddyCHRIST · 10-04-2010, 05:11 PM

Definitely snap judgement, he's 27 years old. Arizona might not be great this year, but this is the NFL you can turn the ship around in a single season. It does look like they will be in the market for a QB next offseason though.

He's too good of a player and the NFL is too crazy for his career to just go down...John Skelton could end up being the savior.

RaiderNation · 10-04-2010, 05:13 PM

He should of never signed long term. Everybody knew Warner was close to be done and after that they had nothing(or some like to call it Matt Leinart). Guys need to look at the future not just the present team.

WinslowBodden · 10-04-2010, 05:18 PM

Go to the Browns after they draft Mallet and sign Randy Moss in the offseason..

please god.

Stranger · 10-04-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderNation

He should of never signed long term. Everybody knew Warner was close to be done and after that they had nothing(or some like to call it Matt Leinart). Guys need to look at the future not just the present team.

Wasn't long term, it runs out after next year. If things really go badly over the next two years maybe he tries to force his way out but he is a team first guy so thats doubtful. It might come down to what happens with the franchise tag in the new CBA.

Also Breaston can be a number two, he did a pretty good job of it when Boldin was out over the last couple of years. It won't matter though with what we have at QB for this season.

SenorGato · 10-04-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderNation

He should of never signed long term. Everybody knew Warner was close to be done and after that they had nothing(or some like to call it Matt Leinart). Guys need to look at the future not just the present team.

While I admire his loyalty...+1.

Oh well...I've always been an Andre Johnson guy anyway.

LonghornsLegend · 10-04-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BuddyCHRIST

He's too good of a player and the NFL is too crazy for his career to just go down...John Skelton could end up being the savior.

John Skelton is an afterthought. Honestly, if the future isn't Max Hall, they are going to be picking high enough to take 1 of the big 3 QB's next year, in which case Hall or Skelton would just be keeping the seat warm for them. If they don't go with a QB next off-season it's because they liked what they see out of Hall.

Honestly with Fitz it's a really tough situation. Anderson sucks pretty hard, Fitz himself isn't even 100% as he sprained his MCL and is playing through it, they have an undrafted Free Agent playing #2 WR next to him(while I think Stephen Williams will be really good longterm having him as a #2 right now isn't what you want), line sucks, it would be tough for any WR to thrive in this type of situation.

I'm not ready to panic, situations can turn around in one off-season, but everyone saying he should have waited to sign an extension isn't taking into consideration that a guy would have to turn down a huge signing bonus right away, and hope they don't get injured while waiting to sign this contract. That, and everyone(here included) would probably be calling him a douche and saying he's getting paid enough etc etc, like people do with every player who won't sign an extension.

Arizona is not gonna shop him around(why would they), and I don't think this is the time when a guy should demand a trade. It be different if he was 32 and wanted another shot at a ring, AZ can turn things around for him in 1-2 years.

nepg · 10-04-2010, 06:21 PM

I think Max Hall will fix a lot of things. Max knows how to get it to a guy like Fitz (see: Austin Collie), and won't hold onto the ball to make the OL look worse than it is.

umphrey · 10-04-2010, 06:31 PM

If they don't get a competent quarterback next year he should start pushing for a trade (to Green Bay)

K Train · 10-04-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorGato

While I admire his loyalty...+1.

Oh well...I've always been an Andre Johnson guy anyway.

hey me too

nepg · 10-04-2010, 07:25 PM

Anderson's suckitude cannot be overstated here. That guy is ******* awful. It's amazing that Whisenhunt hated Leinart so much, he went with a guy like Anderson who everyone knew sucked... It's just amazing.

CC.SD · 10-04-2010, 07:26 PM

Why are there rumors about Jeff Garcia to the Eagles but not the Cardinals.

Jvig43 · 10-04-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

Go to the Browns after they draft Mallet and sign Randy Moss in the offseason..

please god.

Moss playing in Clevland..... Yeah good luck with that guy.
Also Whis is an idiot for not even giving Matty a chance and sticking with a schmuck like Anderson.

Stranger · 10-04-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CC.SD

Why are there rumors about Jeff Garcia to the Eagles but not the Cardinals.

Same reason we got Anderson in the first place, Whis goes for big strong armed QBs (Hall aside). Personally I would much rather Garcia than anyone currently on our roster.

LonghornsLegend · 10-04-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

Moss playing in Clevland..... Yeah good luck with that guy.
Also Whis is an idiot for not even giving Matty a chance and sticking with a schmuck like Anderson.

How can you consider Whis an idiot for not giving Matt Leinart a chance, yet when he was released nobody even wanted him? If he was so good, why did nobody want him, nor claim him on waivers? How many good, hell even decent QB's can get cut and not claimed? Just a reminder Trent Edwards was claimed when he was released. Pete Carroll decided to claim Zac Robinson over Leinart, the Bengals claimed Dan LeFevour over him.

While Anderson sucks, the sad part is he is still better then Leinart. People always act as if Whis was so stupid to not give him a chance, but the fact that nobody wanted to give him a shot should tell you all we need to know about him.

fenikz · 10-04-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CC.SD

Forgive me for making some snap judgments based on only a few games but one of my favorite players, Fitz, is in a real predicament here fellas.

He is basically the only healthy weapon the Cardinals have, and the cavalry that's rushing to help him is what? Early Doucet and Steve Breaston? These guys are both talented but they are barely seasoned veterans and no better than #3s in a perfect world.

His team has no O-line. The wheels have fallen off that bus and it's killing his chances to go deep.

His team has no QUARTERBACK because Derek Anderson doesn't count and Max Hall isn't ready. Fitz is leading the league in targets but only has a handful of catches because nobody on the squad can even put the ball near him.

The Cardinals have stumbled into a couple wins and play in a bad division which means they have a legit chance of playing themselves out of the Locker/Luck even (gasp) Mallett sweepstakes.

Am I the only one thinking that no help is coming for Fitzgerald? Is he really stuck in Arizona forever? He's a team first guy and under contract but I for one would like to see him get shopped around the league just for the sake of his career. He can do great things but it's looking bad right now. These are just my opinions.

Breaston is a #1 on 80% of the teams in this league, Torry Holt clone, Hall got the ball to Fitz 4x in 16 passes so I think the problem is over

and It's been stated a million times, Leinart wasn't cut for Anderson he was cut to keep Skelton and Hall, they are the future at the position

CC.SD · 10-04-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Breaston is a #1 on 80% of the teams in this league, Torry Holt clone, Hall got the ball to Fitz 4x in 16 passes so I think the problem is over

and It's been stated a million times, Leinart wasn't cut for Anderson he was cut to keep Skelton and Hall, they are the future at the position

This whole post has a lot of denial in it fenikz

Hurricanes25 · 10-04-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Breaston is a #1 on 80% of the teams in this league,

Yeah, I don't think so.

SeanTaylorRIP · 10-04-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Breaston is a #1 on 80% of the teams in this league, Torry Holt clone, Hall got the ball to Fitz 4x in 16 passes so I think the problem is over

and It's been stated a million times, Leinart wasn't cut for Anderson he was cut to keep Skelton and Hall, they are the future at the position

80% really?

Teams with better #1's:
Miles Austin, Andre Johnson, Desean Jackson, Greg Jennings, Sidney Rice, Calvin Johnson, Roddy White, Marques Colston, Steve Smith, Randy Moss/Wes Welker, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Chad Ochocinco, Reggie Wayne. That's already like half the league and honestly it's questionable if I even take Breaston over Hakeem Nicks, Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward, Mike Sims Walker, and Vincent Jackson.

M.O.T.H. · 10-04-2010, 09:23 PM

Breaston can barely even walk these days. But even healthy...he's not a #1. Guy greatly benefits from playing opposite Fitz.

619 · 10-04-2010, 09:45 PM

The Cardinals are just jealous they don't have a QB like Bruce Gradkowski.

wordofi · 10-04-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CC.SD

Forgive me for making some snap judgments based on only a few games but one of my favorite players, Fitz, is in a real predicament here fellas.

He is basically the only healthy weapon the Cardinals have, and the cavalry that's rushing to help him is what? Early Doucet and Steve Breaston? These guys are both talented but they are barely seasoned veterans and no better than #3s in a perfect world.

His team has no O-line. The wheels have fallen off that bus and it's killing his chances to go deep.

His team has no QUARTERBACK because Derek Anderson doesn't count and Max Hall isn't ready. Fitz is leading the league in targets but only has a handful of catches because nobody on the squad can even put the ball near him.

The Cardinals have stumbled into a couple wins and play in a bad division which means they have a legit chance of playing themselves out of the Locker/Luck even (gasp) Mallett sweepstakes.

Am I the only one thinking that no help is coming for Fitzgerald? Is he really stuck in Arizona forever? He's a team first guy and under contract but I for one would like to see him get shopped around the league just for the sake of his career. He can do great things but it's looking bad right now. These are just my opinions.

When have the Cardinals ever had a good offensive line (figuratively of course)? This is the same team that went 6 years between running backs having a 100 yard rushing game.

Also, the problem is Anderson and not the offensive line. When Kurt Warner was quarterback, Fitzgerald was getting a lot of targets.

BigDawg819 · 10-04-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

Go to the Browns after they draft Mallet and sign Randy Moss in the offseason..

please god.

This isn't Madden buddy

wordofi · 10-04-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

80% really?

Teams with better #1's:
Miles Austin, Andre Johnson, Desean Jackson, Greg Jennings, Sidney Rice, Calvin Johnson, Roddy White, Marques Colston, Steve Smith, Randy Moss/Wes Welker, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Chad Ochocinco, Reggie Wayne. That's already like half the league and honestly it's questionable if I even take Breaston over Hakeem Nicks, Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward, Mike Sims Walker, and Vincent Jackson.

Good list, but I don't think that Boldin is a #1. I think he's a very good #2.

619 · 10-04-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wordofi

Good list, but I don't think that Boldin is a #1. I think he's a very good #2.

What he's doing now must be totally irrelevant then.

I hate to use a repetitive statement here, but Boldin is the one who is a #1 on 80% of the teams in the league.