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BeerBaron · 03-03-2011, 04:11 PM

And if I shared your assumptions, I probably would have moved a lot more at the trade deadline than I did trying to acquire an actual star to keep around.

Like I've said, I got mine from how keeper leagues usually work in that in order to keep someone, you have to give up something (picks, money) for the following year. Or, you can scrap your whole team and start fresh will your full stock of picks/money.

It both encourages the movement of stars and also rewards players who find extremely valuable players really cheap. Like, in fantasy football, if you spent a 15th round pick on an obscure player, and then that guy becomes like a LeGarrette Blount, you can keep him and reap the benefits of finding him early since you'll only lose a 15th round pick the following draft.

Same principle in an auction league...if you find a $2 sleeper, you can keep him and still have $298 to build around him the next year.

If it's done your way, with no penalty to keeping a player regardless of how much he cost, everyone will go all out for each superstar, and building a low cost team like I did basically becomes meaningless after the first season. There's a risk/reward to both methods and you can win with either if you do it right.

For example, if you pay top dollar for an established star, you get an established star as your reward but you run the risk of not having money to surround him with other players.

Meanwhile, if you build a value driven team like I did, you have the reward of more mid-level players, you but run the risk of not having a star to carry your team if more than a few of those players fail out.

Like I said, there's more than one way to skin a cat and there is no wrong way. It just needs to be fair that whichever way you take, you won't be at a disadvantage in the future.

WMD · 03-03-2011, 04:11 PM

I don't see why there needs to be any new rules. 3 keepers per year for 3 total seasons. I went into the draft thinking that and I made my trades at the deadline with that in mind. No money restrictions in the Auction and no restrictions on keeping a player because of the amount of years they've played in the league.

I don't think giving bonus money to the 1st and 2nd Place teams will be necessary either. If anything, take money from the top teams and give more money to the lower place teams to help keep it kinda sorta maybe relatively balanced.

1st Place: -$30
2nd Place: -$20
3rd Place: -$10

18th Place: +$10
19th Place: +$20
20th Place: +$30

BeerBaron · 03-03-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WMD

I don't see why there needs to be any new rules. 3 keepers per year for 3 total seasons. I went into the draft thinking that and I made my trades at the deadline with that in mind. No money restrictions in the Auction and no restrictions on keeping a player because of the amount of years they've played in the league.

I don't think giving bonus money to the 1st and 2nd Place teams will be necessary either. If anything, I'd give more money to the lower place teams to help keep it kinda sorta maybe relatively balanced.

But this is grossly unfair to people who tried to build balanced teams. If I would have known that, then I would have tried to get superstars. My method would have been meaningless after the first season as I'd be a HUGE disadvantage.

There needs to be some kind of risk beyond one season for keeping a guy that you spend a majority of you money on.

WMD · 03-03-2011, 04:17 PM

I'm pretty sure DUnit had already said that we'd have the same amount available for the next draft too. I'm not too sure, but that's the impression that I had.

BeerBaron · 03-03-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WMD

I'm pretty sure DUnit had already said that we'd have the same amount available for the next draft too. I'm not too sure, but that's the impression that I had.

I never recall hearing that though. And also, if you look at where it says "keepers" on your team page, why would they list the Auction value next to them if it didn't mean something? I assumed it to mean that if you kept that player, you'll have that much less to work with out of your total in the next draft.

That way, it puts you in a tough spot if you want to keep a superstar, but rewards people who found steals.

Like, I only spent $2 on DJ Augustin. Not a great PG by any stretch, but as a starter, he'd definitely go for more than $2 in the next draft...maybe he'd go for $20. But I'd get to keep him for $2, thus rewarding me for finding great value.

Meanwhile, a team could keep their superstar for $200..or take the chance of losing him, but also the chance of getting him back cheaper. If Bos lets Dwight go, maybe other teams having already kept guys they've invested in won't be able to drive his price up, and Bos could get him back for $175. That's a major win. And if he loses him, then he gets that $200 to spend on other available players.

I'm sorry if I sound like some raving lunatic, but it makes sense to me and the other way seems to unfairly penalize teams that don't have an elite superstar,when in the majority of fantasy leagues, they get rewarded for having a good team without major money/draft pick investment.

D-Unit · 03-03-2011, 04:36 PM

Out of curiosity's sake...

New game, New rules. Any objections?

BeerBaron · 03-03-2011, 04:38 PM

Yeah I wouldn't be real upset. As I've been arguing for like 2 days now, most of team isn't worth keeping in comparison to a lot of the other teams, lol

Also considering that like, less than half the league is active, a new start might be for the best. I'd keep the in-season stuff mostly the same but I'd contract to 16 teams for sure. And whatever the keeper policy is going to be, make it known before the draft.

D-Unit · 03-03-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WMD

I don't see why there needs to be any new rules. 3 keepers per year for 3 total seasons. I went into the draft thinking that and I made my trades at the deadline with that in mind. No money restrictions in the Auction and no restrictions on keeping a player because of the amount of years they've played in the league.

I don't think giving bonus money to the 1st and 2nd Place teams will be necessary either. If anything, take money from the top teams and give more money to the lower place teams to help keep it kinda sorta maybe relatively balanced.

1st Place: -$30
2nd Place: -$20
3rd Place: -$10

18th Place: +$10
19th Place: +$20
20th Place: +$30

Well for one, with the 3 year keeper rule on anybody, the fact is that we'll see a repeat of what goes on in the War League, where owners just swap highly talented players. AD for MJD, Andre for Fitz, etc etc. They never get back into the draft pool.

I learned a lot from the way we did the Diamond League. The draft was super fun because the top talent was available to draft. Keepers had to have less than 5 years experience, so it was fun and valueable to keep your top prospects like Lincecum, Longoria, Braun, Strasburg, etc etc. ...and you are rewarded by being able to keep them for a long time if you invest accordingly.

In this league it would be great to be able to draft the Lebrons, Kobes and Durants every year, while those who kept Wall or Griffin are rewarded greatly by being able to keep them for 4 years. Then your auction budget would reset every year and you could rebid for Lebron if you wanted. It puts the fun back into it versus having a draft and and not having great players available. Makes for boring drafts.

...and you need a reward for winning. It makes the competition much better. With as little as 3 keepers, it's very easy for the bottom teams to make a comeback in 1 year. So I don't see a problem of disparity.

Bosanac01 · 03-03-2011, 05:31 PM

I'm down for a fresh beginning. We need to boot the inactive players, and BB... for being too active. :D

P.S- Can I just keep Howard?

BeerBaron · 03-03-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosanac01

I'm down for a fresh beginning. We need to boot the inactive players, and BB... for being too active. :D

I think you've been in like 3 of the forum football leagues I wrote for, and probably some of the forum mocks where I start off just having a team and end up practically running the thing.

You should know by now just how high of activity level I have in things, lol

Bosanac01 · 03-03-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

I think you've been in like 3 of the forum football leagues I wrote for, and probably some of the forum mocks where I start off just having a team and end up practically running the thing.

You should know by now just how high of activity level I have in things, lol

You and D-Unit must be co-workers.

BeerBaron · 03-03-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosanac01

You and D-Unit must be co-workers.

I wish. It's probably not 25 degrees out in Hawaii right now.

WMD · 03-04-2011, 04:41 PM

I would rather pay a penalty than not be able to keep a player because he's a 5+ year vet.

What if we lost $30(?) for each player ranked in the Top 5 of their position according to ESPN's Position Rankings?

So if we're going with $300 next year, and I keep LeBron (#1 SF), Kevin Love (#1 PF), and Derrick Rose (#4 PG), I would go into the Auction with $210 available.

Bosanac01 · 03-04-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WMD

I would rather pay a penalty than not be able to keep a player because he's a 5+ year vet.

What if we lost $30(?) for each player ranked in the Top 5 of their position according to ESPN's Position Rankings?

So if we're going with $300 next year, and I keep LeBron (#1 SF), Kevin Love (#1 PF), and Derrick Rose (#4 PG), I would go into the Auction with $210 available.

Shiver · 03-04-2011, 05:59 PM

Here are some of my concerns: I really don't care all that much, I have a preference as I've stated but it isn't huge. One thing though, if we would institute the 5-year yet thing it has to be starting next season. I would have done the draft COMPLETELY differently.

Or are we just starting "new" next year in either way, with fewer but definitely competitive people?