The Cameron Newton Thread - Page 22

6270410908 · 12-05-2010, 03:46 PM

Would I be surprised if Cam Newton was a success in the NFL? Yup. Ton of talent but NCAA talent...not NFL talent. People have a hard time seperating what they see in College Football from the NFL. To say Newton is going to succeed would be to say that he's a one in a lifetime player and he's gonna revolutionize the NFL game...and I find that laughable. If I were an NFL owner Id rather put my balls in a vice than hand Cameron Newton. $50 million dollar check. No thanks...

wonderbredd24 · 12-05-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex

You don't have to be a choir boy to be a leader

I completely agree with that, but there is nothing concrete one way or the other on that issue.

Babylon · 12-05-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake Locker

Would I be surprised if Cam Newton was a success in the NFL? Yup. Ton of talent but NCAA talent...not NFL talent. People have a hard time seperating what they see in College Football from the NFL. To say Newton is going to succeed would be to say that he's a one in a lifetime player and he's gonna revolutionize the NFL game...and I find that laughable. If I were an NFL owner Id rather put my balls in a vice than hand Cameron Newton. $50 million dollar check. No thanks...

That and the fact that you have 3 other guys who you can build an offense around in this draft with less question marks.

I think Newton will be a first round pick but i think there is a better chance he's Jamarcus Russell than a Donovan McNabb.

6270410908 · 12-05-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

That and the fact that you have 3 other guys who you can build an offense around in this draft with less question marks.

I think Newton will be a first round pick but i think there is a better chance he's Jamarcus Russell than a Donovan McNabb.

People get intoxicated with these exciting spread option offenses and what some of these QBs can do in them and just completely overthink things and find any excuse to make the guy fit in the NFL. For instance, Christian Ponder is vastly more prepared to be an NFL QB and has a much better skillset for the NFL but you'd have a hard time convincing anyone tht Ponder will be a better NFL QB.

D-Unit · 12-05-2010, 05:17 PM

I'm done here. The line has been drawn and it's pretty clear who's on which side. No one is changing their minds.

FUNBUNCHER · 12-05-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Let's say he had no character issues at all. He would still scare the crap out of me, because he's a junior quarterback with what will be 13 career starts in a gimmicky college offense.

Add in the pile of character issues? Eesh.

Mark Sanchez says college football is overrated.

Complex · 12-05-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Mark Sanchez says college football is overrated.

Wonderbred thinks Mark Sanchez sucks

wonderbredd24 · 12-05-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex

Wonderbred thinks Mark Sanchez sucks

Indeed he does.

6270410908 · 12-05-2010, 05:44 PM

Sanchez is not nearly as good as analysts would lead you to believe. If he played in Tampa Bay you wouldn't know his name. He'd be Josh Freeman...the forgotten man. Everything gets blown up bigger than it is when its NY. Not to mention he has an entire 1st round offense around him. Literally everyone but the guards was a 1st round draft pick. Who else can say that?

SchizophrenicBatman · 12-05-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake Locker

People get intoxicated with these exciting spread option offenses and what some of these QBs can do in them and just completely overthink things and find any excuse to make the guy fit in the NFL. For instance, Christian Ponder is vastly more prepared to be an NFL QB and has a much better skillset for the NFL but you'd have a hard time convincing anyone tht Ponder will be a better NFL QB.

you know that the FSU offense is stylistically similar to the Bobby Petrino offense and that Jimbo Fisher was the OC at LSU when Jamarcus Russell was there, right?

RealityCheck · 12-05-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake Locker

Sanchez is not nearly as good as analysts would lead you to believe. If he played in Tampa Bay you wouldn't know his name. He'd be Josh Freeman...the forgotten man.

That's what you get when you play for the New York Overrated Jets.

Babylon · 12-05-2010, 07:53 PM

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you know that the FSU offense is stylistically similar to the Bobby Petrino offense and that Jimbo Fisher was the OC at LSU when Jamarcus Russell was there, right?

I think there is a differance between a spread offense and a read option. Those read options like they run at Florida can create a lot of bad habits.

SickwithIt1010 · 12-05-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

I think there is a differance between a spread offense and a read option. Those read options like they run at Florida can create a lot of bad habits.

This, this and more this.

The spread offenses that Oklahoma, LSU, Arkansas etc run are nothing like the spreads that Oregon, Auburn, Florida etc run. The QB's that run those offenses transitions are going to be very difficult.

With that being said i think Cam can be successful in the league, but he WILL need a lot more work.

prock · 12-05-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake Locker

Would I be surprised if Cam Newton was a success in the NFL? Yup. Ton of talent but NCAA talent...not NFL talent. People have a hard time seperating what they see in College Football from the NFL. To say Newton is going to succeed would be to say that he's a one in a lifetime player and he's gonna revolutionize the NFL game...and I find that laughable. If I were an NFL owner Id rather put my balls in a vice than hand Cameron Newton. $50 million dollar check. No thanks...

Cam Newton isn't NFL talent? So the guy with the most physical abilities and the best performance on the field isn't NFL level talent. Got it.

descendency · 12-05-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by prock

Cam Newton isn't NFL talent? So the guy with the most physical abilities and the best performance on the field isn't NFL level talent. Got it.

I could understand it if his game didn't translate, but you see aspects of what makes an NFL QB in his game, even if they are only flashes.

edit: Kind of like the people who ignore the warning signs all around Von Miller.

prock · 12-05-2010, 09:11 PM

He obviously has never actually watched Cam Newton, just thinks "Hey, athletic black quarterback dominating college, obviously can't play in the NFL because he is Vince Young"

njx9 · 12-05-2010, 09:15 PM

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He obviously has never actually watched Vince Young, just thinks "Hey, athletic black quarterback dominating college, obviously can't play in the NFL because he is Mike Vick"

holy ****, it's four years ago.

ElectricEye · 12-05-2010, 09:18 PM

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holy ****, it's four years ago.

Hahaha I thought the same thing. "Obviously you've never watched Vince Young because you see an athletic black quarterback who can run and you think Michael Vick. Vince Young is going to change the game."

There was discourse about Rothlisberger having character concerns when he came out last night. Dug up an old scouting report. Was described as a high character guy and a smart player. Scored really well on the Wonderlic as well, which we all know doesn't count for a whole lot, but NFL people find it to be a useful metric.

6270410908 · 12-05-2010, 09:21 PM

And you guys apparently watch Cam Newton and think "wow, 600 yards of offense and 6 touchdowns...that sounds like an NFL QB!"

njx9 · 12-05-2010, 09:24 PM

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Hahaha I thought the same thing. "Obviously you've never watched Vince Young because you see an athletic black quarterback who can run and you think Michael Vick. Vince Young is going to change the game."

yup. and, in all honesty, it's just as meaningful now as it was then (i.e. not really), but it's going to keep being brought up. people who want to literally sleep with cam newton (is that the legitimate equivalent of calling people 'haters'? also, there has to be a short way to say it...) will keep trying to say he's nothing like vince young. cam newton haters will keep trying to say he's exactly like vince young. both will be wrong, and the general discussion will suffer.

which, yes, is more or less exactly what happened four years ago with young and the vick comparisons.

ElectricEye · 12-05-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

yup. and, in all honesty, it's just as meaningful now as it was then (i.e. not really), but it's going to keep being brought up. people who want to literally sleep with cam newton (is that the legitimate equivalent of calling people 'haters'? also, there has to be a short way to say it...) will keep trying to say he's nothing like vince young. cam newton haters will keep trying to say he's exactly like vince young. both will be wrong, and the general discussion will suffer.

which, yes, is more or less exactly what happened four years ago with young and the vick comparisons.

Then that one guy busts out Randall Cunningham as a name. You can almost see the thread happening before it does.

To be fair, I think Vince Young has a lot more in common with Cameron Newton coming out than Vick did with Young. They play in a very similar offensive system and are both tall and athletic, but beyond that they don't really have much in common, but I can see why it gets brought up. It's sort of lazy way to get a point across, but Newton could very well struggle in the NFL for some of the same reasons Young did initially, but they are different players. Throw very differently.

6270410908 · 12-05-2010, 09:32 PM

What I love is how you guys can't defend this guy except to say that he's nothing like Vince Young because he has an overhead release. He's Vince Young in every other aspect of his game and you guys act like he's being unfairly labeled lol. Guy comes out of the same offense and you should automatically assume he's gonna be a huge success in the NFL.

Forenci · 12-05-2010, 09:33 PM

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And you guys apparently watch Cam Newton and think "wow, 600 yards of offense and 6 touchdowns...that sounds like an NFL QB!"

No, I'm pretty sure they say "holy crap this guy has all the tools to play QB!" And he's built like a tank. Something players like Big Ben and Josh Freeman take full advantage of with their ability to shrug off defenders. Spread offense or not he makes a lot of impressive throws. His mechanical issues really aren't that severe. No more so than Jake Locker, Tim Tebow, or any other number of first round QB's selected for the past decade.

The biggest question about Newton will be his decision making. He doesn't make bad decisions in his offense, he's just not asked to make them period, which isn't his fault. It's the way a lot of offenses are in college. Teams will need to decide how they can analyze a guy who isn't in an offense to make decisions, and how he will take on that role in the Pros.

But why argue with you. You're clearly too ignorant to be objective. Or you'll just call everyone nerds or arm chair scouts.

6270410908 · 12-05-2010, 09:41 PM

You guys have the owner of the site on here making essentially the same posts I am questioning his offense and experience, and you guys flat ignore him, continue to stroke Newton and attack me for it because of my name. I didn't realize it but naming myself Jake Locker on this board was like naming myself Michael Jackson on a child advocacy board.

Sniper · 12-05-2010, 09:44 PM

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And you guys apparently watch Cam Newton and think "wow, 600 yards of offense and 6 touchdowns...that sounds like an NFL QB!"

And you watch Jake Locker and think, "Wow, 4/20 for 71 yards and two picks...that sounds like an NFL QB!" Personally, I like the guy who saved the best for biggest stage, but I'm always a tad off my rocker.

We all have our faults, I guess.