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Old 11-15-2010, 05:15 PM    (permalink
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They still guaranteed him $40 million. That's a big chunk of change.
Sure it's a lot but if we didn't keep him we still would probably have to give a guy like Matt Moore 5 years/25 mil or something like that, so might as well shell it out to Mcnabb. We haven't made a huge FA signing since Fat Al so yeah it's a bit much and I would have prefferred guaranteed money in the 18-22 mil range but as a Skins fan I can't be too unhappy. It's not my money being wasted. All I know is that I wanted Mcnabb back another 3 years so I will settle with that and chalk up the money to being a typical Snyder move although I think this was Shanny and somewhat Bruce Allen's idea.
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As I said before, this is a move that smacks of the Skins trying to make their 2nd round pick investment look good by locking him up. The money is large because there aren't any other options available that work. McNabb played it perfectly and the Skins made a monster PR mistake by benching him. He probably squeezed $10mm guaranteed out of that one alone.
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Right, cause overpaying aging vets is really new to Washington.
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Yeah...this was dumb.

But as a Giants fan, this still ticks me off bc with a somewhat competent qb, the Redskins aren't going to be an easy out anymore.

He's been off this year, but a lot of that has to do with a horrible oline and no weapons.

Give Shanny some time to fix this mess, and if McNabb can be somewhat competent which I think he can be, this makes the Skins a somewhat respectable team moving forward.

It's better than the Jason Campbell days at least. But still moronic. The Skins are wizards with the cap though so all of our overreactions to the money will probably be for nothing after Snyder works his cap magic later on.
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Phew. I was scared Washington was going to start to be competitive with Shanahan. I knew Shanny had baggage as a guy who made questionable personnel moves in Denver, but this one takes the cake! Wow. That's ugly.
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While it is a ton of money, has money EVER been an issue for DC? When has the amount of money tied up to one player ever been a problem for them getting a player they want?

Secondly, who is the better option for them right now? Not chance at Luck right now, Mallett and Locker are horrid QBs for the WCO. The QB FA market sucks. Its not as if he isn't a decent QB. The interior OL is killing the team this year. Constant pressure up the middle and not being able to run is killing the offense. We have yet to be "out" of a game with him. He keeps us in every game and gives us a chance to win, granted he does make mistakes but who else is a better option? He wont be here in years 4-5 regardless.

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Yeah...this was dumb.

But as a Giants fan, this still ticks me off bc with a somewhat competent qb, the Redskins aren't going to be an easy out anymore.

He's been off this year, but a lot of that has to do with a horrible oline and no weapons.

Give Shanny some time to fix this mess, and if McNabb can be somewhat competent which I think he can be, this makes the Skins a somewhat respectable team moving forward.

It's better than the Jason Campbell days at least. But still moronic. The Skins are wizards with the cap though so all of our overreactions to the money will probably be for nothing after Snyder works his cap magic later on.
Couldn't have said it better. He isn't Manning or Brady and sure as hell isn't Campbell. He keeps you competitive. He needs interior OL help a RB and a WR.
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Phew. I was scared Washington was going to start to be competitive with Shanahan. I knew Shanny had baggage as a guy who made questionable personnel moves in Denver, but this one takes the cake! Wow. That's ugly.
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For as far back as I can remember, the 2nd biggest waste of money was Albert Haynesworth, and this will be the 1st. I don't know what Oakland payed Moss, that's probably 3rd.
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Its not like he's going to be there 5 more years. They hopefully draft a QB of some sorts, he hold the starting job while the rookie gets ready and then they cut him. He isn't going to get even close to all that money.
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Its not like he's going to be there 5 more years. They hopefully draft a QB of some sorts, he hold the starting job while the rookie gets ready and then they cut him. He isn't going to get even close to all that money.
I agree, I think this is more of an insurance deal than anything else. They're going to have a chance to draft a QB next year or the year after, and I expect them to jump on that chance. McNabb holds down the fort and keeps fans interested in the meantime.
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It's not worth having a young QB anyways until we get new receivers, RB's, and an O-line. You saw it last night yeah Mcnabb had a few mistakes with reads but as you saw he had pressure in his face, interior pressure every single play. Also as you saw not a single one of his receivers could get separation, Roydell Williams, Joey Galloway, c'mon.
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I'm frankly shocked that they'd pour that much guaranteed money on McNabb. It feels like a mistake that I see NBA GM's do all the time. They make 1 mistake, then the next several moves are designed explicitly to prove that their mistake was not a mistake (read: 76ers giving Iguodala a max deal, then trying to make him the centerpiece of the team when it's clear he can't be that).
I don't see it that way. When an NBA team gives out a max deal, they are saddled with that deal for it's duration. The player could be a twelfth man, and they'd still be paying him $20M per, no ways around it. If they wanna trade him, they need to take back the same amount of money.

With the McNabb contract, they can cut him after 2-3 years, which is what we all expect, and be saddled with a cap hit of $8M, which isn't really that much in the grand scheme of things. Not a great personnel move but I think people saying this is gonna screw them over for years are overreacting.

I know you weren't making a direct comparison, but I felt compelled to make that distinction because I think that in the Iguodala situation, they're forced to try to build around him for a few years while the Redskins could draft a QB as soon as next year.
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I don't see it that way. When an NBA team gives out a max deal, they are saddled with that deal for it's duration. The player could be a twelfth man, and they'd still be paying him $20M per, no ways around it. If they wanna trade him, they need to take back the same amount of money.

With the McNabb contract, they can cut him after 2-3 years, which is what we all expect, and be saddled with a cap hit of $8M, which isn't really that much in the grand scheme of things. Not a great personnel move but I think people saying this is gonna screw them over for years are overreacting.

I know you weren't making a direct comparison, but I felt compelled to make that distinction because I think that in the Iguodala situation, they're forced to try to build around him for a few years while the Redskins could draft a QB as soon as next year.
I used the Iguodala example to illustrate teams trying to force an issue that they know isn't correct. I happen to think that Shanahan is not a good fit with McNabb. He tried to force McNabb into his system rather than play to his strengths. He isn't supporting him with the run game. I also don't see the coaches putting him in positions to succeed enough. And frankly, those weapons aren't good enough and the line is crap. Without McNabb, the Skins would be 2-6 now. He has avoided tons of pressure and made plays. His receivers completely boned him last night. He has no run game and limited time to throw. Assuming the Skins can rebuild the line and add at least 1 explosive WR (Moss?), they should improve. However, the amount of guaranteed money and the potential cap hit if they're wrong is tremendous.

End of the day, I'm very happy McNabb got paid. I love the guy for what he did in Philly, even though there wasn't a title. However, I'm not sure that the Skins won't regret the whole thing in the end. Not saying that's McNabb's fault necessarily. It could just be the Shanahans aren't that good.
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i honestly dont think its that high in this market and theres rumor that it is structured similar to bradys was where a portion of the guarantee is skill based. they are saying he may be lucky to see 25-30 of the 40 "guaranteed".
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If he doesn't see all $40mm guaranteed and it's more like $25-30mm, then it's more palatable from a cap management perspective. The length of the deal was certainly acceptable.
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Oh Donovan what have you done to your career. Nobody remembers you as the guy that made 4 NFC championship games. Your the guy that said it was ok for Vick to come and he ultimately took your job and possibly the team to the super bowl.
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.... We haven't made a huge FA signing since Fat Al so yeah it's a bit much and .....
LOL... like that was once-upon-a-time!
It was LAST YEAR.
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You man 2 years ago, anyways it's irrelevant because that was the Vinny Cerato regime the team is now run by Shanny and Bruce Allen. Even Snyder has admitted that he is giving full football decisions to Bruce and Shanny, not saying that's much better but anyone who still pegs Snyder for making horrible decisions is wrong because all of these football decisions are being made by Allen and Shanny. Trust me I'm not defending the guy because we will never be a contender until he sells the team or dies, but people blame Snyder way too much when from now on Allen and Shanny deserve as much if not more blame for anything that goes wrong.
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You man 2 years ago, anyways it's irrelevant because that was the Vinny Cerato regime the team is now run by Shanny and Bruce Allen. Even Snyder has admitted that he is giving full football decisions to Bruce and Shanny, not saying that's much better but anyone who still pegs Snyder for making horrible decisions is wrong because all of these football decisions are being made by Allen and Shanny. Trust me I'm not defending the guy because we will never be a contender until he sells the team or dies, but people blame Snyder way too much when from now on Allen and Shanny deserve as much if not more blame for anything that goes wrong.
Yes, they do. The switch to the 3-4 when they had an unbelievable 4-3 set up, the trade for MediocreNabb, the handling of Haynesworth, and then this contract? It's been an ugly ride
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Haha the real numbers are starting to trickle out and they look pretty mediocre. $3.5 million guaranteed with what looks like a $10 million option bonus in 2011. The numbers skyrocket in 2012 and beyond, but pft says it's basically a 5 year 55 million dollar deal with basically no guarantees.

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hah, 3.5 mil guaranteed is far off from 40 mil, although I never believed the number. So if he decides to bomb the rest of the year or some major rift happens between him and Shanny we can cut ties with little financial loss. Actually the timing of it makes sense now. So basically Mcnabb is in the exact situation as he was before the only difference now is that the Skins have the option to keep him instead of Mcnabb having the option to leave. Mcnabb could easily be a free agent at the end of this year, collect his 3.5 mil and sign with the Cards or Vikings.
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