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Old 05-11-2009, 12:19 PM    (permalink
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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -The Minnesota Vikings and Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield are no longer talking about a new contract.

Winfield's Agent Ashanti Webb said Monday that negotiations on an extension recently reached an impasse. He declined to comment on whether this will affect Winfield's attendance at the team's organized practices this spring.

Webb says his "line of communication" with the team remains open.

Winfield will make $6 million in the final season of his current six-year deal. He turns 32 next month. Winfield has said previously he'd like to finish his career in Minnesota.

Fellow starting cornerback Cedric Griffin, who is 26, recently had his contract extended by five years through 2014.
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I'm not surprised that we're taking a strong line with Winfield. We haven't been shy about showing veterans the door. Most of those have been on the decline, and it's fair to say that Winfield is still bringing it, but I'm guessing they'll take a wait and see approach with Winfield this season, see how some of the new guys fair in the secondary, and then possibly franchise Antoine next offseason. I don't see this being resolved anytime soon.
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I'm not surprised, but I'm disappointed. Winfield has shown no signs of slowing down, at all.
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He deserves a lot of cash. Like for real. I don't give a **** how old he is. We are a win now team. And he wants to win a superbowl. The Vikings think that they are going to get the "hometown discount" on him. But I don't think that will happen. Winfield is better than that.
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He deserves a lot of cash. Like for real. I don't give a **** how old he is. We are a win now team. And he wants to win a superbowl. The Vikings think that they are going to get the "hometown discount" on him. But I don't think that will happen. Winfield is better than that.
If he wants to finish his career here, he might have to take a hometown discount. When you say statements like that, it makes the fan base think that money is less important than staying on this team.
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He has an awful lot of leverage, though. There's nobody behind him that is taking over if he leaves in FA. The franchise tag will be an absolute necessity if he's not extended.
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He has an awful lot of leverage, though. There's nobody behind him that is taking over if he leaves in FA. The franchise tag will be an absolute necessity if he's not extended.
That's not exactly true. The Vikings have been drafting lately to replace possible losses in FA. We drafted Tyrell knowing Sharper could be gone, we are clearly confident in Sullivan as the replacement for Birk and that could be the same idea they have for Asher Allen. Not saying that Allen is anywhere near Winfield, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that if Allen has a solid season they let Winfield walk. I love AW, but I really believe that if they didn't have faith in Asher Allen then we would've already seen him extended similar to Griffin.

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Winfield was awesome last year. My guess is they are just waiting to see how he does this year.
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That's not exactly true. The Vikings have been drafting lately to replace possible losses in FA. We drafted Tyrell knowing Sharper could be gone, we are clearly confident in Sullivan as the replacement for Birk and that could be the same idea they have for Asher Allen. Not saying that Allen is anywhere near Winfield, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that if Allen has a solid season they let Winfield walk. I love AW, but I really believe that if they didn't have faith in Asher Allen then we would've already seen him extended similar to Griffin.

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I don't disagree that the Vikings have been drafting to replace. However I disagree with thought the Vikings could already have the same feelings towards Asher Allen as a John Sullivan or a Tyrell Johnson. Asher Allen is just a late 3rd round CB in a weak draft class who easily could have gone in the 4th. Could he become good enough to replace winfield? sure it's possible. But is he good enough right now for the Vikings to hold off on extending Winfield? not even close. Flying Elvis is right Winfield has a lot of leverage in this situation. Because while the Vikings have a lot of depth guys and just drafted a 3rd round CB none of them are good enough yet to have faith in taking over his starting spot.
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I'm not saying thats how I feel, I'm saying that could be the reason they are waiting on Winfield. I mean John Sullivan was a 6th round pick! Allen was brought in because he is a good fit in this system and a good tackler. Don't get me wrong, I'll be upset if we don't bring Winfield back, I just think that the team may view Asher Allen as his replacement if his contract demands are too high.
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I understand what you meant by it and I just completely disagree that the Vikings could possibly feel they can wait on extending Winfiled because of Asher Allen. As for John Sullivan being a 6th round pick it's very different simply because of the position. Center don't normally go very high you can find good center prospects later in the draft that can be ready to play. CB is a whole different ball game.

I don't doubt the team could view Asher Allen as a possible replacement down the road to Winfield. But there is just no way(As of right now) that they could use Asher Allen as some sort of leverage versus Winfield. Obviously this could change if Asher Allen plays well this year but at this point he hasn't done anything to make them view him like that.
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I just don't see anyone on the roster that is even close to Winfield. Even if Griffin is good enough to take over #1 there's no solid guy after that - unless Gordon is going to come back from IR as a beast. I guess I don't really know enough about him to say, but Winfield is a top CB and that's not easy to replace.

But I see your point entirely, Hagy. There really is no need to rush to re-sign him now. See how things go and franchise him next year if necessary. It's just that I'm not that optimistic about the guys on the current roster. There's always FA next year, too.
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I just don't see anyone on the roster that is even close to Winfield. Even if Griffin is good enough to take over #1 there's no solid guy after that - unless Gordon is going to come back from IR as a beast. I guess I don't really know enough about him to say, but Winfield is a top CB and that's not easy to replace.

But I see your point entirely, Hagy. There really is no need to rush to re-sign him now. See how things go and franchise him next year if necessary. It's just that I'm not that optimistic about the guys on the current roster. There's always FA next year, too.
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Winfield has been the most solid player on that def since he came here a few years ago.

There is a strong chance that his leverage will only increase after another solid year, being an unrestricted free agent, and the possibility of an uncapped year.


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I was putting it as nicely as I could being a Pats fan in the Vikes forum. lol


2nd favorite is Minnesota so I really don't want to see them let Winfield go. And I completely agree that it's very risky to not extend him early b/c he could be even more expensive later. It could go either way, but he played too well last year to reasonably expect a flop in a contract year.
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Williamses could learn legal fate Thursday
May 13th, 2009 – 8:20 PM by Chip Scoggins
Pro Bowl defensive tackles Kevin and Pat Williams could learn Thursday whether their four-game suspensions by the NFL will be upheld.

The Williamses have a June 15 court date, but Pro Football Talk reported tonight that a “motion for summary judgment” will be heard on Thursday. Essentially, U.S. District Judge Paul Magnuson can make a ruling if he decides there are enough facts that are not in dispute by both sides.

The hearing is scheduled to start at 10:30 a.m. and is expected to last several hours.

The Williamses were suspended for four games last season after testing positive for a banned diuretic. They were granted an injunction in mid-December, which allowed them to finish the season.

The Williamses, along with three players from the New Orleans Saints, were suspended after testing positive for bumetanide, which is contained in the supplement StarCaps and can be used as a masking agent for steroids. Bumetanide was not listed as an ingredient on the StarCaps label and the players argue that the NFL did not properly inform players.

The Williamses are seeking up to $10 million in damages as well as having their four-game suspensions overturned. The Williamses, in court filings, admit they took the diuretic to help them make a prescribed weight because both had weight clauses in their contracts.
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Who would be the starting DTs if the Vikings go minus the Williamses?
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Fred Evans would be one of them, but I'm not sure who the other would be.
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Fred Evans would be one of them, but I'm not sure who the other would be.
Guion maybe? Sucks Darion Scott went psycho, he could play DE and DT.
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We're also bringing back Kennedy so he very well could be starting in that scenario as well.
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Good layout of the Williamses case. This came from a different forum, but makes a lot of sense and lays things out in a way that even I can understand it:

"There will be no settlement. The NFL knows that they are wrong on this, and they are pursuing it only to test the strength of their contract. Now, contract law in the US is actually pretty settled on this matter. The Williamses signed a contract for an at will work situation and basically agreed to abide by the NFL's rules. These kinds of contracts are treated differently than the normal type of contracts you see to, say, build a garage. If the garage is shotty or doesn't get built, there is an obvious wrong. An employment contract can't be judged the same way.

There is a big but here, and I'm not talking about Pat's. The contract will generally require both parties to act in good faith. And I think that is where the NFL will fail. On one big point. That is the requirement in the contract that any breach be decided by an independent and unbiased arbiter. The judge has already found that the arbiter was biased, and the NFL didn't really contest that finding. Now, the court can pretty much come up with three different findings.

One. The NFL breached the contract by not having an independent arbiter, there is no case, toss the suit with bias, and the Wall has their legal costs paid by the NFL.

Two. The judge will assume the rule as arbiter and decide that the Wall didn't breach their contract.

Three. The judge will assume the rule as arbiter and decide that the Wall did breach their contract. The Wall is out for four games.

Just following judge Magnuson's rulings and demeanor on this case makes me think that one or two are the most likely outcomes."
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Fred Evans would be one of them, but I'm not sure who the other would be.
It amazes me that you guys have failed to address the depth at that position over the last two drafts; Guion is the lone one.
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It amazes me that you guys have failed to address the depth at that position over the last two drafts; Guion is the lone one.
Yea it is a bit odd they didn't adress it this year. Last year is more understandable after trading away most their picks for Allen. Than trading away another 4th to move up and get Tyrell Johnson, who was more of a need than a depth DT last year.

This year was pretty much the same story bigger needs than DT depth. Although they easily could have addressed it with the 3rd rounder rather than CB depth.
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Yea it is a bit odd they didn't adress it this year. Last year is more understandable after trading away most their picks for Allen. Than trading away another 4th to move up and get Tyrell Johnson, who was more of a need than a depth DT last year.

This year was pretty much the same story bigger needs than DT depth. Although they easily could have addressed it with the 3rd rounder rather than CB depth.
I understand what you're saying, but I'd have rather signed a FA DT to a short deal for this year, rather than drafting a DT. This draft was very weak at DT, but next year's looks to be incredible at DT. There could be as many as 4 DTs that go in the top 10, and even more importantly, about another 8 that could go in the 1st or 2nd round.
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