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Old 09-12-2010, 01:34 AM    (permalink
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I could see the Vikings signing Jackson to a long term deal. And then giving Rice the Franchise tag next off-season and trading him. And I'd like to keep Rice, but we could get a 1st or 2nd from him easily. Vincent Jackson isn't injury prone, he's just got problems with drinking (which isn't a huge deal since Childress brought Jared Allen in and Allen stopped right away).

If we get Jackson, I really don't see the Vikings keeping Rice.

But I agree, there are too many other positions to address to go and get Jackson for a 2nd round pick.

Ultimately, I see the Vikings going into rebuild mode if they make the trade for Jackson.
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Sounds like we're looking at VJax, Reggie Brown, Javan Walker, and someone else.
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Sounds like we're looking at VJax, Reggie Brown, Javan Walker, and someone else.
Reggie Brown wouldnt surprise me because of his Philly ties with Childress.

btw, I watched a lot of the Miami/Buf game today. Gotta say that the way Miami played today, we should be able to handle them next week.
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I hope we give up a second for Vincent Jackson. We're all in this year with Favre and draft picks are so overrated. Especially on this board.
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I hope we give up a second for Vincent Jackson. We're all in this year with Favre and draft picks are so overrated. Especially on this board.
It depends how many games of Vincent Jackson we'd get imo. If the league rules that he has to miss the additional 3 games even if he's traded then no, I don't wanna give up a 2nd round pick for 10 games of 1 guy, especially when he's a very similar player to Sidney Rice who will be back shortly after that. If he only has to miss the 3 games of his suspension and can play immediately after being traded then yea, I suppose I'd be ok with giving up a 2nd, not thrilled though, especially if it's as a rental player.

We've got planty of holes to fill in the next couple years and are gonna need as many picks as possible.
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I really want Vjax. A second rounder would be awesome for him. Even if he is a similar player to Sidney, he is still awesome. Just because you have a huge receiver doesn't mean you can't have another. Two huge receivers is better than one.
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I doubt we'd have enough money to sign Jackson to a long term deal. Greenway is going to be a free agent next year, and I'd much rather focus on him.
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It depends how many games of Vincent Jackson we'd get imo. If the league rules that he has to miss the additional 3 games even if he's traded then no, I don't wanna give up a 2nd round pick for 10 games of 1 guy, especially when he's a very similar player to Sidney Rice who will be back shortly after that. If he only has to miss the 3 games of his suspension and can play immediately after being traded then yea, I suppose I'd be ok with giving up a 2nd, not thrilled though, especially if it's as a rental player.

We've got planty of holes to fill in the next couple years and are gonna need as many picks as possible.

He'll be back week 5 if we trade for him before tomorrow at 4.

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He'll be back week 5 if we trade for him before tomorrow at 4.

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You misread that, the deadline starts at 4pm Friday and ends on Wednesday the 22nd. A question I have is we have a bye on week 4, so does that mean he wouldn't be able to come back until after the Jets game on week 5? Is it a 4 game suspension or a 4 week suspension?
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According to this guy if he was traded here he would be eligible to play against the Cowboys week 6. Suspension go by games not weeks so the bye week doesn't count.

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Yeah I just skimmed it. I still feel the same way.
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I don't see us keeping Rice if we trade for Jackson.
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We could probably keep them both if we really wanted to. First it depends on how much they plan on giving VJax, hopefully not the 30 mil garunteed he reportedly wants.

Than we would have to trade/cut Berrian this offseason which with would free up 18.9 Mil over the next 3 years. That right there alone is a good chunk of money they could give to Rice.

But probably biggest factor is wether or not Rice thinks he should get a huge deal with a lot of garunteed money. IMO he doesn't have the leverage to get a huge contract due to his constant injuries. But he could still get a decent contract with a lot of playing time based incentives.

Also Rob Brzezinski he is very good at what he does, I have faith in him. it will probably be tough, but If they really wanted to keep both they can get it done.
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Im hoping we dont give up much more then a 2nd rounder for V-Jax. Thinking about eventually having Jackson, Rice, Harvin, Camarillo. sounds pretty damn good to me. How many years does Berrian have left on his contract?

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God damn we need VJax. Jackson and Rice on the outside will not only dominate for us this year, but it would severely help any young quarterback who we bring in.
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4, including this year.
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By young quarterback do you mean Tarvaris Jackson? You know it's coming, Childress will never give up on him.
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He will almost certainly be gone well before the 4th year. He is making 3.7 Millioin this year and 3.9 Million next year. But after that it shoots up to 6.9 million in 2012. Considering on a healthy team he isn't really even the 3rd option in the passing game he should be let go. Although If we get Vincent Jackson the process will be moved along a whole lote quicker.
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I'm still a firm believer that Rice will be moved if we trade for Jackson.
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I would rather have Rice than VJax. Maybe because Rice is my favorite Vikings.
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Yeah I like Rice more than Jackson. Admittedly his badass dreads are a part of it though.
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I like Rice more than Jackson as well. Rice has proved to us that he is injury prone. Jackson is not.
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I like Rice more than Jackson as well. Rice has proved to us that he is injury prone. Jackson is not.

I still like Rice more and think he's better then Jackson healthy. That said, while Rice is injury prone and Jackson is not, VJ still brings the off the field problems Rice doesn't either. Maybe it's nothing, I remember when Jared Allen was one DUI away from a big suspension and he's been just fine.


That said, I'd be really surprised if you guys were able to keep Jackson and Rice longterm, both need a contract here soon and it's probably gonna be pretty big deals. I'd be interested if you could pull it off.
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I still like Rice more and think he's better then Jackson healthy. That said, while Rice is injury prone and Jackson is not, VJ still brings the off the field problems Rice doesn't either. Maybe it's nothing, I remember when Jared Allen was one DUI away from a big suspension and he's been just fine.


That said, I'd be really surprised if you guys were able to keep Jackson and Rice longterm, both need a contract here soon and it's probably gonna be pretty big deals. I'd be interested if you could pull it off.
I think the team values Rice moreso than Jackson, and trading for Jackson this year is probably just going for the home run since this is Favre's last dance. Giving up a 3rd and a future 4th to trade for VJax and then letting him walk after this year is probably the best play for the Vikings right now. Then, you try to lock Rice up long term at a mini discount since he was hurt this year.
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