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View Poll Results: Who's gonna be the best of these QB's when all is said and done?
Josh Freeman, Bucs 59 15.17%
Matthew Stafford, Lions 125 32.13%
Sam Bradford, Rams 76 19.54%
Mark Sanchez, Jets 19 4.88%
Joe Flacco, Ravens 32 8.23%
Matt Ryan, Falcons 78 20.05%
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:17 PM    (permalink
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1. Freeman
2. Stafford
3. Flacco
4. Ryan
5. Bradford
6. Sanchez

This was tough. I could change 1-5 around by reading what others have to say about them.
1. So talented. I think his team has a drop off next year because of S.O.S. But he's on his way to becoming a very good, hopefully great (fingers crossed) QB
2. Again, so talented and surrounded by just as impressing players on that offense and now DLINE. I hope he can get over that injury bug. Just seeing his grit in the Lions/Browns game last year by winning the game after separating his shoulder was enough to crack the top 3.
3. Dude can throw and he plays on the best team of these 6. Best offense with the most weapons. He has an aging D, but Flac and Co. can carry this team deep into the playoffs.
4. Matty Ice is a winner. Period.
5. Only got a chance to see Bradford once this year. I hope he can put it all together and help the Rams rebuild. If they get him some weapons to work with he can easily clime my list.
6. I just dislike him and the team he plays for. But he has done well with what he's been asked to do. His defense can win him the first ring out of these guys.
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All I am saying is, you all think that it is very easy to succeed as a 2nd year, 22 year QB being the leader of the youngest team in the league. Not many young teams are playoff contenders and Freeman was the reason they were in contention.

The Bucs are a talented team, but experience and injuries hurt them as well. You can't say Freeman didn't exceed expectations this year also. Many labeled him as a bust even after his rookie year and many also projected more int's than TD's before the season began.
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you all think that it is very easy to succeed as a 2nd year, 22 year QB being the leader of the youngest team in the league.
I don't think anybody thinks that.
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All I am saying is, you all think that it is very easy to succeed as a 2nd year, 22 year QB being the leader of the youngest team in the league. Not many young teams are playoff contenders and Freeman was the reason they were in contention.

The Bucs are a talented team, but experience and injuries hurt them as well. You can't say Freeman didn't exceed expectations this year also. Many labeled him as a bust even after his rookie year and many also projected more int's than TD's before the season began.
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Question. What if Sanchez beats the Colts? What do we make of him?

For the record, Sanchez has accomplished more than any of these guys, yet he's the consensus worst qb of the bunch, which I find very odd. I mean, come on, we're giving Stafford more credit and his signature game is a day when he blew out his shoulder and scored points vs a horrible Browns team. Wtf?

And if anyone here says that Sanchez just benefits from the team around him, then I question how much of the Jets you actually see. This Jets team is severely overrated talent wise.

Not to mention Sanchez has had plenty of signature come from behind wins of his own that nobody is acknowledging.

I honestly don't see much of a difference between Sanchez and Flacco's career path so far, yet we all want to burn Sanchez.

I think if he does well in the playoffs this year, then he can't be ignored any longer. He's not a scrub like everyone says he is. He's still ahead of schedule in his development.
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Question. What if Sanchez beats the Colts? What do we make of him?

For the record, Sanchez has accomplished more than any of these guys, yet he's the consensus worst qb of the bunch, which I find very odd. I mean, come on, we're giving Stafford more credit and his signature game is a day when he blew out his shoulder and scored points vs a horrible Browns team. Wtf?

And if anyone here says that Sanchez just benefits from the team around him, then I question how much of the Jets you actually see. This Jets team is severely overrated talent wise.

Not to mention Sanchez has had plenty of signature come from behind wins of his own that nobody is acknowledging.

I honestly don't see much of a difference between Sanchez and Flacco's career path so far, yet we all want to burn Sanchez.

I think if he does well in the playoffs this year, then he can't be ignored any longer. He's not a scrub like everyone says he is. He's still ahead of schedule in his development.
I could understand why it might be baffling to some that Matthew Stafford is considered to be the better quarterback over Mark Sanchez, clearly Mark has had much more success in terms of winning football games and played well during the playoffs last season.

What I have yet to see from Mark Sanchez however is that ability to be utterly indefensible when he's hot; I've never really felt confident in him as a franchise quarterback, one of those elite guys. Despite the fact that Stafford has been injured a lot I think individually he's managed to show that potential.

You're right though, people do tend to focus a little too much on the things that Sanchez does wrong as opposed to the things he does right. I guess that much is to be expected when you play in that market .
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I could understand why it might be baffling to some that Matthew Stafford is considered to be the better quarterback over Mark Sanchez, clearly Mark has had much more success in terms of winning football games and played well during the playoffs last season.

What I have yet to see from Mark Sanchez however is that ability to be utterly indefensible when he's hot; I've never really felt confident in him as a franchise quarterback, one of those elite guys. Despite the fact that Stafford has been injured a lot I think individually he's managed to show that potential.

You're right though, people do tend to focus a little too much on the things that Sanchez does wrong as opposed to the things he does right. I guess that much is to be expected when you play in that market .
He was on fire vs the Bears right up until that interception. Which really wasn't that bad, he had 50 seconds to move down the field with no timeouts, he had to force something.

I just think Mark has developed a perception that will become hard for people to overcome, bc it's so engrained into his public perception as a qb.

He's had plenty of games where he was lights out. In fact, I bet he's had more of those games than Stafford has. In fact I'm almost sure of it.
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Question. What if Sanchez beats the Colts? What do we make of him?

For the record, Sanchez has accomplished more than any of these guys, yet he's the consensus worst qb of the bunch, which I find very odd. I mean, come on, we're giving Stafford more credit and his signature game is a day when he blew out his shoulder and scored points vs a horrible Browns team. Wtf?

And if anyone here says that Sanchez just benefits from the team around him, then I question how much of the Jets you actually see. This Jets team is severely overrated talent wise.

Not to mention Sanchez has had plenty of signature come from behind wins of his own that nobody is acknowledging.

I honestly don't see much of a difference between Sanchez and Flacco's career path so far, yet we all want to burn Sanchez.

I think if he does well in the playoffs this year, then he can't be ignored any longer. He's not a scrub like everyone says he is. He's still ahead of schedule in his development.
Sanchez is treated that way even amongst Jets fans...you should see how long a Josh Freeman thread can last amongst Jets fans or how many fans cling to the Lewin numbers...meanwhile Sanchez prepares to be in the playoffs for his 2nd year in a row and he's a big time breakout candidate in Year 3.

My relationship with Sanchez has been weird...I loved him as a prospect and thought he was the best one at USC since Palmer...then he got drafted by the Jets and I was a happy guy...then he was all crappy as a rookie so I was all man he's garbage...then his sophomore year I treated him like garbage because he was garbage as a rookie and holding us down...now he's playing like a man and doing man things like running a real offense (not this run the ball then throw deep stuff we had to do when he sucked)....but no one likes him.
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He was on fire vs the Bears right up until that interception. Which really wasn't that bad, he had 50 seconds to move down the field with no timeouts, he had to force something.

I just think Mark has developed a perception that will become hard for people to overcome, bc it's so engrained into his public perception as a qb.

He's had plenty of games where he was lights out. In fact, I bet he's had more of those games than Stafford has. In fact I'm almost sure of it.
I think Rex might have gone overboard with his attempts to create a swagger around the Jets team and the names they've brought in have taken away from what Sanchez is doing at the quarterback position.

Without a doubt there is something of a perception amongst fans and the media that Mark Sanchez doesn't carry the team at all like some other quarterbacks, if anything you hear more about him holding them back.

Which of the two quarterbacks would you rather have?
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I think Rex might have gone overboard with his attempts to create a swagger around the Jets team and the names they've brought in have taken away from what Sanchez is doing at the quarterback position.

Without a doubt there is something of a perception amongst fans and the media that Mark Sanchez doesn't carry the team at all like some other quarterbacks, if anything you hear more about him holding them back.

Which of the two quarterbacks would you rather have?
Honestly, I don't know yet. We haven't seen enough of Stafford.

For what it's worth, I liked Sanchez more coming out. So perhaps I do have my own bias in this argument. But I'm sure we all do.
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Question. What if Sanchez beats the Colts? What do we make of him?

For the record, Sanchez has accomplished more than any of these guys, yet he's the consensus worst qb of the bunch, which I find very odd. I mean, come on, we're giving Stafford more credit and his signature game is a day when he blew out his shoulder and scored points vs a horrible Browns team. Wtf?

And if anyone here says that Sanchez just benefits from the team around him, then I question how much of the Jets you actually see. This Jets team is severely overrated talent wise.

Not to mention Sanchez has had plenty of signature come from behind wins of his own that nobody is acknowledging.

I honestly don't see much of a difference between Sanchez and Flacco's career path so far, yet we all want to burn Sanchez.

I think if he does well in the playoffs this year, then he can't be ignored any longer. He's not a scrub like everyone says he is. He's still ahead of schedule in his development.
Flacco is the most over rated one of them all, he has done nothing in the playoffs at all. He has 2 games where he had a QB rating uder 20 and 2 games with a ratinf under 66. He has yet to pass for 200 and has thrown one TD but he is rated higher than Sanchez by most because he has a stronger arm and is tall or something. Sanchez played great against the colts and above average for a rookie in his 1st playoff game against the bengals.
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My main problem with Sanchez, and it doesn't count with most other people, but it does me, is that I hear from his supporters "he's cut down the big mistakes". Christ that's the best thing you can say for him. However, I've sat and watched him throw countless ints this year that the defense dropped. Late in games vs Miami and Cleveland that would have sealed their fate and kept them out of the playofs. Its a simple variable really. He threw, idk 15 ints that counted? I won't even go into the # I saw dropped this year. Add them up...saying he's a great QB and has "cut down the big mistake" is a mirage and a product of guys like Jason Allen and Abram Elam dropping their gifts. Not to mention those 2 games alone that he handed Miami and Cleveland would have sealed their playoff fate. I take that into consideration. He had a very very fortunate season, to say the least. If I watch the Jets next year and I see him actually cut down on throwing the ball to the other guy, dropped or otherwise, I will most definently say he's developed.
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According to Football Outsiders, Sanchez had 13 dropped interceptions through week 14, which led the NFL. So what you saw was hardly a mirage.

Compare that to Eli, who had 2 dropped picks. Sanchez really shouldn't be praised for protecting the ball.

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According to Football Outsiders, Sanchez had 13 dropped interceptions through week 14, which led the NFL. So what you saw was hardly a mirage.

Compare that to Eli, who had 2 dropped picks. Sanchez really shouldn't be praised by protecting the ball.
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People forget that Sanchez is still very, very, very young.

Anyway, I love this debate and tomorrow/Sunday will be another chance for Sanchez and Flacco to state their case on this list. After all, playoff games are one of the best tools for judgment.
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Right now I would rank em...

1. Matt Ryan
2. Josh Freeman
3. Sam Bradford
4. Joe Flacco
4. Mark Sanchez
5. Matthew Stafford
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People forget that Sanchez is still very, very, very young.

Anyway, I love this debate and tomorrow/Sunday will be another chance for Sanchez and Flacco to state their case on this list. After all, playoff games are one of the best tools for judgment.
Aren't they all still young? hints the thread title.
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Yeah, but Sanchez is youngerer... So you can't blame him for most of his mistakes, sense the others have been in the league sooo much longer...
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Yeah, but Sanchez is youngerer... So you can't blame him for most of his mistakes, sense the others have been in the league sooo much longer...
Sanchez is older than Stafford, Bradford and Freeman lol
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At what point can we drop this "young" excuse? He's entering year 3. There are no more excuses. Freeman is young and could protect the football..just 6 ints, though I will admit I haven't seen every Bucs game like I have the Jets so if someone saw him throw 10 dropped ints, Ill correct myself, but I doubt it. Sam Bradford as a rookie threw 43 more passes than Sanchez and threw 15 picks to Sanchez's 13...which is still less than Sanchez's "unofficial" number, and had a higher QB rating! Lol. When you take a close look at Sanchez, you can't even say he's developing at a faster rate than his peers. And I'm not even bringing completion % into so people can blame the drops...I'm just measuring his td/int ratio vs. His peers and I can't ignore all the ints he threw that were dropped, I'm sorry. That qualifies as not protecting the ball.
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Sanchez is older than Stafford, Bradford and Freeman lol
The "Younger" argument makes him a great QB when he plays well for doing so so young and obsolves him of blame when he doesn't. But that's sports for ya, pretty much any bit of information or stat can be bent to serve your argument no matter how trivial it may be..
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Flacco and Ryan started well over 30 games in college and have been starting in the league for 3+ full years.

Sanchez started 13 games at USC and was thrust into the spotlight, had an insanely different year than most young QBs because of the winning (couldn't really experiment, grow, take his lumps, take chances, and mature by feeling NFL adversity because he team was in "win now", a lot of pressure, asked to "not lose", somehow gets to the AFC Championship) and this year was first given some free reign in the offense.

I'm talking about the guys in the playoffs.
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Flacco and Ryan started well over 30 games in college and have been starting in the league for 3+ full years.

Sanchez started 13 games at USC and was thrust into the spotlight, had an insanely different year than most young QBs because of the winning (couldn't really experiment, grow, take his lumps, take chances, and mature by feeling NFL adversity because he team was in "win now", a lot of pressure, asked to "not lose", somehow gets to the AFC Championship) and this year was first given some free reign in the offense.

I'm talking about the guys in the playoffs.
So Sanchez is just a different case because the Jets chose to ignore his inexperience in college. ...and because he was around "winning"? Lol are you *** kidding me? Was he abused as a child too? What else can we give Mark a free pass on? You get to the NFL, you're expected to develop the same as everyone else. He certainly created enough adversity for himself throwing 20 interceptions and dealing with the NY media. And honestly, the NY media babies him compared to how they treated Eli. He's the Cali golden boy vs the red-headed stepchild who isn't as good as his brother. That's how he was always treated. And now I'm not saying Sanchez is a bust, or will ever be a bust...but his "development" is seriously over-blown. He's the luckiest young QB, if anything. He's 2 teams resting their starters and 2 dropped ints away from not seeing a playoff game in these 2 years. Its a game of millimeters and the breaks have gone his way to this point.

Btw..this another thing..think about it for a minute, who are the 2 guys that receive the most criticism in terms of development? Sanchez and Flacco. And look at their teams approach to building around them..insulate them around veteran, big-name receivers, because they can't actually make anyone better. Baltimore goes out and gets Boldin and TJ to go with Mason. Jets will pick up any big name...Braylon, Santonio Holmes to go with Cotchery. Now you look around the league... Revis was shutting down Calvin Johnson, so Stafford was carving up the Jets defense with journeyman Nate Burleson pre-injury. Bradford makes use of Danny Amendola and Danario Alexander...Freeman makes stars out of rookies Mike Williams, Arrelious Benn and Dezmon Briscoe. Soak all that in ...these teams show a measure of confidence in these guys that Baltimore and NY apparently aren't comfortable doing with Sanchez and Flacco. Its called develop your own players.
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