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View Poll Results: Who's gonna be the best of these QB's when all is said and done?
Josh Freeman, Bucs 59 15.17%
Matthew Stafford, Lions 125 32.13%
Sam Bradford, Rams 76 19.54%
Mark Sanchez, Jets 19 4.88%
Joe Flacco, Ravens 32 8.23%
Matt Ryan, Falcons 78 20.05%
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:46 AM    (permalink
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I think what we're seeing is young qbs coming into the league, doing better than we initially expected, but also plateuing earlier than expected as well.

It seems like qbs like Flacco, Sanchez, Ryan have already peaked. I wonder if throwing them in the fire early has led to this. Perhaps they develop tendencies early that are hard to break once you get into the daily grind of being an NFL qb?
I think this is a symptom of the new NFL. You can't breath on a QB. You can't get within a yard of a receiver without getting pass interference. When the receiver catches the ball, you can't hit him or it is a personal foul. Long story short, passing is much easier than it used to be. I think the bust rate of QBs is going to drop substantially. So guys like Flacco, Sanchez, and McCoy (and possibly Dalton this year) will look decent early due to QB-favoring rules but won't take the next step that more talented and more NFL-caliber players like Rodgers and Roethlisbeger have in recent years.
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I agree that Sanchez has been absolutly terrible, but the dude is money in the playoffs. That has to count for something right?
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I agree that Sanchez has been absolutly terrible, but the dude is money in the playoffs. That has to count for something right?
Yes, being clutch is very important! So, I would take that intangible into consideration when forming an opinion on a QB.
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I agree that Sanchez has been absolutly terrible, but the dude is money in the playoffs. That has to count for something right?
I'll give him credit, he's an absolute nightmare when the play breaks down and he's out of the pocket.

If you want to beat him, you have to keep him in the pocket and force him to throw the ball.
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Sanchez is money in the playoffs.

That's the one thing he has that is preventing me from giving up on him.
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The one horrible game Sanchez had this year, the jets had an undrafted free agent center blocking against the best DT in the league. no one ever mentions that.
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The one horrible game Sanchez had this year, the jets had an undrafted free agent center blocking against the best DT in the league. no one ever mentions that.
To be fair, he wasn't exactly lighting it up in any of his other starts though.

He always starts slow and finishes stronger though. People don't give him enough credit for his ability to evade sacks too. A very underrated part of his game.
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How many excuses does an NFL QB need to go through before he's just not what he's expected to be? Not just pertaining to Sanchez here, although he's the definition of average in today's NFL, but for all QBs.
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Sanchez is better from what I have seen than Flacco. Flacco doesn't have Sanchez mobility which is what hurt the Ravens yesterday IMO. Once 1-2 defenders get near Joe, he has to stand there and take the shot. He doesn't get the ball out quick enough to evade the sacks. Sanchez at least improvises and tries to run out and either throw it away or run for whatever gain he can get.

Flacco is like a statue there.....one rivaling Drew Bledsoe.
Flacco doesn't get sacked like Bledsoe. He may not have the best mobility in the world, but it's a lot better than Drew Bledsoe.
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How many excuses does an NFL QB need to go through before he's just not what he's expected to be? Not just pertaining to Sanchez here, although he's the definition of average in today's NFL, but for all QBs.
id probably use this word to describe him, but if we go off of this season there's at least 3 other players on that list that are having worse seasons.
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Honestly, I think fans are just not used to these defensive battles anymore. That was a good game last night in my opinion. Theres been too many offensive shootouts this year. Nice to see a defensive grudge match once in a while.

But that wasn';t entirely Flacco. Jaguars DBs were stuck to Ravens WRs like glue last ngiht.
Well we live in the fantasy football era, and if you aren't putting up great numbers in the 4,000 yard/30 touchdown range with a 100 + QB rating, you're terrible.
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Well we live in the fantasy football era, and if you aren't putting up great numbers in the 4,000 yard/30 touchdown range with a 100 + QB rating, you're terrible.
Eh, while I think there is a some truth to do that, I think the bigger thing is that the Bill Polian Era has coincided with fantasy football. They don't play by the same rules they did 7-8 years ago.
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Sanchez hasn;t been terrible this year. He's had above average games. I wouldn't put him up there with the elite just yet, and maybe never. He really looks like he's hit his ceiling. He doesn't have flashy mechanics or arm strength. He just looks like an above average/solid starting QB in this league.

The thing with Sanchez is he's been surrounded by veterans since day 1. He's had a top 5 running game, top 3-5 offensive line and a top 5 defense. He also has had veteran WRs in Cotchery, Edwards, Holmes, and a solid TE in Keller. He now has Burress, who is starting too look like his old self (very hard to overthrow him in the redzone).

All I am saying is the Jets surrounded a young QB with veteran experience. Thats good now, but I wonder how he'll have to adjust when they have to start building through the draft with younger players because it's a business and you can't afford all this veteran talent.

Guys like Stafford (he may have Megatron, but the rest of the team is very young), Freeman, Ryan, and Bradford haven't been as lucky when it comes to the team that was built around them. Freeman's top 4 WRs are all entering there 2nd year, so theres some growing pains. Bradford has worked with guys who really are just looking to revive there careers at WR since they busted on there original teams that drafted them.

In my opnion, we'll figure out where these guys are at the end of the season. Look at Phillip Rivers. He's an established top 5 QB before this season. he's thrown 7 Tds to 9 INTs this year.
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I'm in the minority who never felt he was a top 5 qb, but I digress.

I was a huge Sanchez fan coming out too. I loved his footwork and movements in the pocket. Thought he'd develop the rest over time.
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I really disliked Sanchez as a prospect, and nothing he's done in the NFL has really done much to dissuade me otherwise. If you put Matt Stafford behind Nick Mangold and D'Brick, give him Keller, Santonio and Braylon to throw to and LT and Shonn Greene to run the ball, thats a damn championship. And I'd be willing to bet Sam Bradford would give up a whole hell of a lot of that 75 million dollar contract if it meant he wasn't getting his ass kicked every play and had real, NFL WRs to throw to. I'm pretty sure if we took 6 guys from NFLDC and lined them up at WR for St Louis it would look about the same. Never in my life have I seen such an underdeveloped WR core for a young QB to work with. Maybe Alex Smith on the 05 Niners, they were pretty bad too.
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I really disliked Sanchez as a prospect, and nothing he's done in the NFL has really done much to dissuade me otherwise. If you put Matt Stafford behind Nick Mangold and D'Brick, give him Keller, Santonio and Braylon to throw to and LT and Shonn Greene to run the ball, thats a damn championship. And I'd be willing to bet Sam Bradford would give up a whole hell of a lot of that 75 million dollar contract if it meant he wasn't getting his ass kicked every play and had real, NFL WRs to throw to. I'm pretty sure if we took 6 guys from NFLDC and lined them up at WR for St Louis it would look about the same. Never in my life have I seen such an underdeveloped WR core for a young QB to work with. Maybe Alex Smith on the 05 Niners, they were pretty bad too.
you don't know that.

first of all, you can't just state your opinion like it's fact.

Second of all, can we all calm down just a little on this Stafford Bukkake? He's really good and will probably be one of the NFL's elites one day but the Jump Ball to the best WR in the league has got to be the easiest plays in the game.

Also, what about a quick slant that your wr takes to the house and people act like the qb made some doug flutie hail mary or some ****?

Detroit isn't some horrible team that is being kept afloat by their qb. They are actually a pretty solid team with solid pieces all around.

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I really disliked Sanchez as a prospect, and nothing he's done in the NFL has really done much to dissuade me otherwise. If you put Matt Stafford behind Nick Mangold and D'Brick, give him Keller, Santonio and Braylon to throw to and LT and Shonn Greene to run the ball, thats a damn championship. And I'd be willing to bet Sam Bradford would give up a whole hell of a lot of that 75 million dollar contract if it meant he wasn't getting his ass kicked every play and had real, NFL WRs to throw to. I'm pretty sure if we took 6 guys from NFLDC and lined them up at WR for St Louis it would look about the same. Never in my life have I seen such an underdeveloped WR core for a young QB to work with. Maybe Alex Smith on the 05 Niners, they were pretty bad too.
Shonn hasn't been good since the playoffs 2 years ago, not counting last weeks game. Calvin Johnson is way better than Holmes. Braylon is better than Nate, but Nate is better than Plaxico(I know he score 3 TDs but he has been useless since he got out of prison). The lions TEs are better than the Jets, Brandon Pettigrew is better than Keller. The only thing Sanchez has over Stafford is a O-line.
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Sanchez has had talent around him in the past, but that's not really the case this year. Holmes is his only legitimate weapon, the oline has struggled a fair bit, and they lack starting quality running backs. Sanchez still isn't very good, but for all the blame Schottenheimer receives, he doesn't have a whole lot of talent to work with. Given that the Jets have a bad QB and a serious lack of playmakers, it's no surprise their offense has had its problems.

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you don't know that.

first of all, you can't just state your opinion like it's fact.

Second of all, can we all calm down just a little on this Stafford Bukkake? He's really good and will probably be one of the NFL's elites one day but the Jump Ball to the best WR in the league has got to be the easiest plays in the game.

Also, what about a quick slant that your wr takes to the house and people act like the qb made some doug flutie hail mary or some ****?

Detroit isn't some horrible team that is being kept afloat by their qb. They are actually a pretty solid team with solid pieces all around.
Well no, you're right. I don't know that for sure. What I do know is that there's a large talent differential between Stafford and Sanchez; that's evident when you watch them play. Moreover, I don't know where this idea has come from that all Stafford does is throw a jump ball to Megatron. Go look at his throw over Aqib Talib in the Tampa game to Megatron. There's nothing jump ball about it, it's one of the most beautiful throws I've seen in my entire time watching football. Matt Stafford already throws one of the best balls in the NFL. I feel supremely confident in saying that if you put him on the last 2 New York Jets team instead of a Detroit team that STILL has a sieve for an offensive line, no reliable inside runner (I love Best, but come on. He's a weapon, not a workhorse), and no defense (Until this year), they would have had themselves a hell of a past couple seasons.

Sanchez is so middle of the pack in nearly every aspect it makes my head hurt.
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Shonn hasn't been good since the playoffs 2 years ago, not counting last weeks game. Calvin Johnson is way better than Holmes. Braylon is better than Nate, but Nate is better than Plaxico(I know he score 3 TDs but he has been useless since he got out of prison). The lions TEs are better than the Jets, Brandon Pettigrew is better than Keller. The only thing Sanchez has over Stafford is a O-line.
I wasn't talking about the Jets struggles this year. Hell, everyone knows the Lions are playing better then the Jets this year. I'm saying if you took Matt Stafford and kept him upright for 16 games behind the offensive line they had the last 2 seasons with the extremely effective running game and all the weapons he had, you would be looking at a very different NY Jets team and one that most definitely would have had a better chance at a championship.
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I wasn't talking about the Jets struggles this year. Hell, everyone knows the Lions are playing better then the Jets this year. I'm saying if you took Matt Stafford and kept him upright for 16 games behind the offensive line they had the last 2 seasons with the extremely effective running game and all the weapons he had, you would be looking at a very different NY Jets team and one that most definitely would have had a better chance at a championship.
well in turn, we can also argue that this might be the year Stafford wouldve came into his own. It sucks we don't know how he would've performed last year if he didnt get injured, could have been really good or really bad. His success this year has no bearing on how he would have done last year.

Stafford and Sanchez's rookie years have to at worst be a push.
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I feel supremely confident in saying that if you put him on the last 2 New York Jets team instead of a Detroit team ....... they would have had themselves a hell of a past couple seasons.
So they would have made it to the superbowl? Because the last two nyj teams went to the AFC championship.
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Mark Brunell would have led them to a title once Stafford was placed on IR.

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Mark Brunell would have lead them to a title once Stafford was placed on IR.
JaMarcus Russell would have lead them to multiple titles...

after they drafted Andrew Luck.
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