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View Poll Results: Who's gonna be the best of these QB's when all is said and done?
Josh Freeman, Bucs 59 15.05%
Matthew Stafford, Lions 126 32.14%
Sam Bradford, Rams 76 19.39%
Mark Sanchez, Jets 19 4.85%
Joe Flacco, Ravens 33 8.42%
Matt Ryan, Falcons 79 20.15%
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Mark Brunell would have led them to a title once Stafford was placed on IR.
Yeah, I'm sure Stafford getting hurt had nothing to do with that swiss cheese they call an offensive line. It wasn't like Jeff Backus gave Peppers a free run at Stafford or anything, thats just crazy talk.
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Mark Sanchez: Marky should be improved by leaps and bounds this year. This is the year he gets the opportunity to run the offense instead of just manage it. I do expect a bit of a slow start however because of the new recievers. Early games @Balt, @ NE and v San Diego stand out to me as games where he might struggle to hook up with his receivers. After the bye week is when hes really gonna start to look scary and cement his place with these other guys in the soon to be elite QB discussion. I think the Jets are still too run-oriented for him to put up great numbers but that doesnt mean he wont be playing exceptionally well. Combine that with the great defense and good running game Sanchez is gonna be headed back to post-season but this time as a division champ

Jets Record: 12-4

Sanchez stats: 3650 yds 22 TDs 9 INT 60% CR

Joe Flacco: Flacco took a big step last year, playing just about as well as he could last year given the run first nature of the Ravens offense. The only thing holding Flacco back in comparison to these other QB's is his lack of game-winning drives and clutch play. Last year I believe he only had 1 (correct me if I'm wrong) game winning drive and that was against Charlie Batch's Steelers. Ryan, Freeman and Sanchez have all shown the ability to lead their team to victory when the game is on the line and I can't put Flacco in their class until he proves that he can.

Ravens record: 11-5

Flacco stats: 3700 yds, 21 TDs, 7 INTs

Matt Ryan: Ryan has shown everything you want to see from a franchise QB and after getting his first taste of the playoffs last year I'm confident he will turn the corner into the upper tier of QBs in the league. The Falcons have all the pieces in place to become an unstoppable offense and I see them taking that next step this year. Questions in their secondary still remain but I like them to return to the playoffs as a Wild card

Falcons: 10-6

Ryan Stats: 4000 yds, 30 TDs, 10 INTs
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Thought I would bump this thread up with my predictions for these young guns this year:

Josh Freeman: I see him struggling a little bit this year. Well not necessarily struggling but decreasing from last years numbers slightly. I think his schedule is very tough and his team around him isn't good enough to compete with Upper Echelon teams. Still doesn't change the fact that Freeman is on his way to becoming Elite, I just see a small bump in the road this year.

Bucs Record: 8-8

Freeman: 3,850 yds, 28 TDs, 11 INTs, 62% CR

Matthew Stafford- I expect big things from Stafford this year. The Lions love to sling it and he has very good weapons at his disposal as long as Best stays healthy. If Staffords healthy and the Lions are putting up points I could see them surprising this year and contending for a Wild Card as their D is made to play with a lead and is more talented than it has been recently

Lions record 9-7

Stafford: 4,200 yds 32 TDs 13 INTs, 60% CR

Sam Bradford: Bradford should be improved from his first year with the addition of a couple new weapons. I dont expect him to light the world on fire like some people do however. The Rams should be competing for the division again but I think they fall just short again like last year.

Rams Record: 7-9

Bradford: 3700 yds, 22 TDs 16 INTs, 62% CR

I'll do the other three later
Looking good on most of these so far. Only real surprise is the lackluster play of Ryan so far I thought he was ready to take the next step but he clearly isnt at this point.
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Looking good on most of these so far. Only real surprise is the lackluster play of Ryan so far I thought he was ready to take the next step but he clearly isnt at this point.
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Yeah im surprised by how terrible the rams have been so far although i should have seen it coming with the brutal schedule they had to open the year
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How many excuses does an NFL QB need to go through before he's just not what he's expected to be? Not just pertaining to Sanchez here, although he's the definition of average in today's NFL, but for all QBs.
According to everyone in this thread, it's simply because we don't like him, or hate him, or haters. One of the above. That's all I ever read anytime his name comes up in this thread. I'll admit he does step up his play in the playoffs, but he's still been average pretty much his whole career. I think he can win a SB, but he's not one of the QB's who can carry a team on his back.


I just wish we could stick to just judging him off of his play, and not talking about how people just don't like him. He has absolutely no reason for me to hate him, or not like him. He has just never looked really good to me, and he's been in the league long enough where the excuses are starting to run out.
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According to everyone in this thread, it's simply because we don't like him, or hate him, or haters. One of the above. That's all I ever read anytime his name comes up in this thread. I'll admit he does step up his play in the playoffs, but he's still been average pretty much his whole career. I think he can win a SB, but he's not one of the QB's who can carry a team on his back.


I just wish we could stick to just judging him off of his play, and not talking about how people just don't like him. He has absolutely no reason for me to hate him, or not like him. He has just never looked really good to me, and he's been in the league long enough where the excuses are starting to run out.
But there is some sort of dislike for Sanchez more than any other guy, maybe because of his GQ shoots and pretty boy like possibly?

That or he plays for a big bad New York team. I think Sanchez were to play on a team like the Browns or Bengals, that he'd get received much more as opposed to playing for the "cocky" Jets.

His play has not been that good, that's agreed but the way people talk about him on the site kind of makes you think that he's just never going to change their mind and that they like to dislike him.
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The thing about Sanchez is that his whole career he has been called average or mediocre, (which has been true in the regular season) but people fail to put his career thus far into perspective. QB's are expected to struggle their first couple years in the league and Sanchez's struggles have been no different so far than any other QB. All of the established QBs in the league today went through the same amount of growing pains as Sanchez has (or sat for a couple years to avoid growing pains). The fact the he has been mediocre so far shouldnt be a knock against him, it is a sign of how good he will be in the future
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There is a bit of hypocrisy. Sanchez is having a better year than Freeman, and you don't see nearly the same amount of criticism given to Freeman. Freeman's rookie year was nothing spectacular either.

Yet Freeman is widely considered a stud in the making, and Sanchez is just a scrub? Why does Freeman get a pass and Sanchez doesn't?

Another example is my boy Bradford. I love me some Bradford but he's had a poor year. But he gets a pass for it. If Sanchez had that year, he'd get killed for it.

There is an unfair scrutiny that comes with being a big market qb. It comes with the territory. Tony Romo is another perfect example. If he wasn't the Cowboys qb, his perception amongst fans would be very different.

Phillip Rivers is another guy. If he played in a big market I question if he'd receive the same praise that he's received. He would probably be labeled as an underachiever in a big market instead of a consensus top 5 qb.
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There is a bit of hypocrisy. Sanchez is having a better year than Freeman, and you don't see nearly the same amount of criticism given to Freeman. Freeman's rookie year was nothing spectacular either.

Yet Freeman is widely considered a stud in the making, and Sanchez is just a scrub? Why does Freeman get a pass and Sanchez doesn't?

Another example is my boy Bradford. I love me some Bradford but he's had a poor year. But he gets a pass for it. If Sanchez had that year, he'd get killed for it.

There is an unfair scrutiny that comes with being a big market qb. It comes with the territory. Tony Romo is another perfect example. If he wasn't the Cowboys qb, his perception amongst fans would be very different.

Phillip Rivers is another guy. If he played in a big market I question if he'd receive the same praise that he's received. He would probably be labeled as an underachiever in a big market instead of a consensus top 5 qb.
Re: Freeman vs. Sanchez

Freeman has shown that he can be the foundation of your offense. Whereas, the Jets do the best they can to hide Sanchez and minimize his impact on the game. He can be a decent contributing piece to your offense, but will never be a foundation player. Too jumpy in the pocket, stares down the rush, too willing to check down, and doesn't have the arm talent to overcome his flaws. Steps his game up in the playoffs, though, there's no doubt about that.

Freeman has regressed, too, but people (myself included) should have seen it coming. A lot of his big plays last year came outside of structured offense. Guys who live on making plays outside of structure are generally very inconsistent, and you don't know what you're getting week-to-week. What you're seeing with Freeman is a regression back to the mean.

I don't really disagree with anything you say re: Romo, Rivers, or Bradford, though.
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Joe Flacco, Ravens: Baltimore thought he would take his game to the next level in his fourth season, but over his last four games (or 1/4 of a season) he has thrown for only 1 TD, with 4 interceptions, and is on pace to finish with the worst completion percentage and most interceptions of his career.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1cfKwRk00
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Joe Flacco, Ravens: Baltimore thought he would take his game to the next level in his fourth season, but over his last four games (or 1/4 of a season) he has thrown for only 1 TD, with 4 interceptions, and is on pace to finish with the worst completion percentage and most interceptions of his career.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1cfKwRk00
I always believed in him, but they guy has sucked ever since playing a really good game against Pittsburgh week 1.
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Joe Flacco, Ravens: Baltimore thought he would take his game to the next level in his fourth season, but over his last four games (or 1/4 of a season) he has thrown for only 1 TD, with 4 interceptions, and is on pace to finish with the worst completion percentage and most interceptions of his career.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1cfKwRk00
Really does not surprise me. I have always though Joe Flacco is the most overrated QB in the NFL. He normally struggles against good defenses.
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As a fan desperately trying to protect Flacco, I should mention that he had 3 big PI calls in the endzone last week to Boldin that Rice pounded in right after. Cam let Flacco run more hurry up & shotgun and he looked much better in the second half.
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I'm going to take a stab at this:

1. Cam Newton
2. Matt Stafford
3. Matt Ryan
4. Christian Ponder
5. Andy Dalton
6. Josh Freeman
6. Mark Sanchez
7. Joe Flacco
8. Colt McCoy
9. Sam Bradford
10. Colt McCoy
11. Blaine Gabbert
12. Matt Moore

cue the lions fans...
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Really does not surprise me. I have always though Joe Flacco is the most overrated QB in the NFL. He normally struggles against good defenses.
Not sure how hes overrated.

Exactly who thinks hes a franchise QB? I certainly don't know any Ravens fans that do.
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I'm going to take a stab at this:

1. Cam Newton
2. Matt Stafford
3. Matt Ryan
4. Christian Ponder
5. Andy Dalton
6. Josh Freeman
6. Mark Sanchez
7. Joe Flacco
8. Colt McCoy
9. Sam Bradford
10. Colt McCoy
11. Blaine Gabbert
12. Matt Moore

cue the lions fans...
LOL... I'll buy most of that. I'd put Sam B ahead of Flacco though.
Also, #8 & #10 are very similar. Did one of them mean to be Matt Flynn? :)
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I'd go with:
1. Stafford
2. Freeman
3. Newton
4. Ryan
5. Gabbert
6. Flacco
7. Sanchez
8. Dalton
9. Bradford
10. Ponder
11. McCoy
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I'm going to take a stab at this:

1. Cam Newton
2. Matt Stafford
3. Matt Ryan
4. Josh Freeman
5. Christian Ponder
6. Andy Dalton
7. Sam Bradford
8. Joe Flacco
9. Colt McCoy
10. Mark Sanchez
11. Colt McCoy
12. Blaine Gabbert
13. Matt Moore
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I'd go with:
1. Stafford
2. Freeman
3. Newton
4. Ryan
5. Gabbert
6. Flacco
7. Sanchez
8. Dalton
9. Bradford
10. Ponder
11. McCoy
LOL @ Freeman > Newton and Ryan. I'm going to hold off on my rankings until after this season.
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1. Matt Stafford
2. Cam Newton
3. Matt Ryan
4. Josh Freeman
5. Sam Bradford
6. Andy Dalton


7. Christian Ponder
8. Mark Sanchez
9. Blaine Gabbert
10. Colt McCoy
11. Joe Flacco
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I'd go with:
1. Stafford
2. Freeman
3. Newton
4. Ryan
5. Gabbert
6. Flacco
7. Sanchez
8. Dalton
9. Bradford
10. Ponder
11. McCoy
LOL silly buc fans.
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1. Newton
2. Stafford
3. Sanchez
4. Freeman
5. Ryan

Im very confident that these 5 will be in the top QB conversation within the next year or two. Some might think Sanchez is too high, i could understand the argument of putting Ryan ahead of him though

6. Bradford
7. Dalton
8. Flacco
9. Ponder
10. McCoy
11. Gabbert

Way too early to judge most of these guys. Bradford gets a small pass for being on such a shithole of a team, if he cant improve over the second half of the year however ill be concerned with his development. Flacco just doesnt have that IT factor IMO to be a top tier QB. He has yet to perform well in big time situations and is way too inconsistent for a 4th year player

You people putting Gabbert or Ponder or McCoy ahead of Sanchez are clearly incapable of forming an objective opinion
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1.Newton
2.Bradford
3.Sanchez
4.Stafford
5.Freeman
6.Ryan
7.Dalton
8.Ponder
9.McCoy
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1.Newton
2.Bradford
3.Sanchez
4.Stafford
5.Freeman
6.Ryan
7.Dalton
8.Ponder
9.McCoy
10.Flacco

11.Gabbert
Not trying to be a homer here but this made me laugh. Colt is easily one of the worst starting QB's in the league has literally no upside.
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