Young Guns: Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Flacco, Ryan - Page 47

irishbucsfan · 11-06-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I'm quite confident in my ability to project intelligently, you condescending prick.

From what we've seen so far from Ponder and Dalton, they're performed better than what we've collectively seen from Freeman. Freeman (who I actually voted for in this thread whenever it was started, so I'm certainly not anti-Freeman) has a career completion % below 60, he throws an interception every 30 attempts, he averages 6.8 yards per attempt, and he has a passer rating of 79.8

Ponder and Dalton, from the limited samples we've seen so far, exceed that. Maybe they regress, but consider they are rookies, it's far more likely they don't.

You talk about this season as if it's an anomaly, but last year could just as likely be an anomaly considering Freeman wasn't very good his rookie season either.

Haha relax with the namecalling, I have a thin skin. Look all I'm pointing out is that everything you're saying about the rookies this year about their standard of play and the ability to extrapolate from that could have been said about Freeman last year, except he had a full year and a historic season statistically to lean on when those points were made. And now look where he is.

bucfan12 · 11-06-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I'm quite confident in my ability to project intelligently, you condescending prick.

From what we've seen so far from Ponder and Dalton, they're performed better than what we've collectively seen from Freeman. Freeman (who I actually voted for in this thread whenever it was started, so I'm certainly not anti-Freeman) has a career completion % below 60, he throws an interception every 30 attempts, he averages 6.8 yards per attempt, and he has a passer rating of 79.8

Ponder and Dalton, from the limited samples we've seen so far, exceed that. Maybe they regress, but consider they are rookies, it's far more likely they don't.

You talk about this season as if it's an anomaly, but last year could just as likely be an anomaly considering Freeman wasn't very good his rookie season either.

Freeman had his ups and downs in his rookie season, same iwth Stafford. But showed flashes.

If I remember correctly, the Bucs in 2009 (Freemans rookie year), were getting blown out every week. Insert Freeman and they were in almost every game and were competitive.

Watching him this year, he's struggled. But it's not like he's as dumb as a rock. Several anaylsts have sat down with Freeman and all have said he's one of the smartest QBs they've been around in the in the past 10 years. Add that to his physical tools and talent and the sky is the limit for him. His struggles are correctable. His work ethic (didn't leave 1 Buc Place at all during the BYE week) is there.

billybeejr · 11-06-2011, 03:02 PM

I think a lot of Freeman's struggles can be attributed to the inexperience of that team, especially in the receiving core. The Bucs' offense seems pretty conservative to me.

soybean · 11-06-2011, 03:04 PM

I think we can all collectively agree that out of all the "young guns" Curtis Painter should have nothing to do with football after the season is over.

bucfan12 · 11-06-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by billybeejr

I think a lot of Freeman's struggles can be attributed to the inexperience of that team, especially in the receiving core. The Bucs' offense seems pretty conservative to me.

Look at who's calling the plays down there in Tampa. Olsen failed horribly once as an off. coordinator. Now we're painfully witnessing why he was fired.

Ravens1991 · 11-06-2011, 10:49 PM

Here we go Joe Flacco here we go. Put him in the shot gun every ******* play IDC he is good there.

MetSox17 · 11-06-2011, 10:50 PM

This is one of those threads that will never, ever die. Every time one of these guys has a good or bad game, it is bumped.

Complex · 11-06-2011, 10:52 PM

I was thinking the same thing.

Ravens1991 · 11-06-2011, 10:53 PM

But seriously this si what is so frustrating with him. He has the talent he really does, hopefully this gives him a confidence boost for the rest of his career. It has always been mental with him

soybean · 11-06-2011, 11:09 PM

the SANCHIZE!

niel89 · 11-07-2011, 01:42 AM

But wait, my QB finally had a great game. I deserve to act like Flacco is awesome for the rest of this week.

JETS5128 · 11-07-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by niel89

But wait, my QB finally had a great game. I deserve to act like Flacco is awesome for the rest of this week.

For real tho u can definitely act like that. Last night was an awesome performance from Flacco, probably the most impressed i've ever been with him (i didnt get to watch week 1). Now hes just gotta work on doing well against good teams that arent the steelers

J-Mike88 · 11-25-2011, 10:02 PM

What I find (still) interesting about this poll and these guys is that it's constantly in flux. My goodness.
My original vote here was for Matt Ryan.
But this year I wanted to change it to Stafford.
But he's had some stinkers, and looked handicapped yesterday against a defense that had made both Phil Rivers and Josh Freeman look lethal the past 3 weeks.

Flacco's had some ups for sure, and then he played Seattle in between.

Sanchez, well...... he got Tebow'd. but also:

Twice as many votes for Freeman than Flacco....

niel89 · 11-26-2011, 04:20 AM

Right now the only guy who I would be real happy with is Stafford honestly. Everyone else has had that great of a season really. I understand that some guys are just in a bad situation, but has anyone really taken a step forward this year? I feel like all these guys are just the same (except for Freeman who has just dropped off apparently). Maybe the lack of a real offseason stunted some of their growth?

thegreatone · 11-26-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by niel89

Right now the only guy who I would be real happy with is Stafford honestly. Everyone else has had that great of a season really. I understand that some guys are just in a bad situation, but has anyone really taken a step forward this year? I feel like all these guys are just the same (except for Freeman who has just dropped off apparently). Maybe the lack of a real offseason stunted some of their growth?

While he hasn't taken a step forward in terms of overall play, I think Flacco has proven to be a pretty clutch QB.

Houston:
Had a very clutch drive to put the game away, when Houston was still very alive.
Arizona:
Led the GW drive on an excellent deep ball to Smith.
Pittsburgh:
92 yard TD drive against the best pass d in the NFL. Even after a couple of drops from Boldin and Smith.
Seattle:
Had a very clutch drive to score a TD. The D choked and Flacco never saw the ball again.
SF:
Game was put away in the final minutes, but had his best scored the only TD of the game to start the 4th.

I have been an admitted Flacco hater, but the guy has really opened my eyes this year. All this with the worst OC in the NFL. Give him a competent OC, and I really like his future.

J-Mike88 · 11-26-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by thegreatone

While he hasn't taken a step forward in terms of overall play, I think Flacco has proven to be a pretty clutch QB.

Houston:
Had a very clutch drive to put the game away, when Houston was still very alive.
Arizona:
Led the GW drive on an excellent deep ball to Smith.
Pittsburgh:
92 yard TD drive against the best pass d in the NFL. Even after a couple of drops from Boldin and Smith.
Seattle:
Had a very clutch drive to score a TD. The D choked and Flacco never saw the ball again.
SF:
Game was put away in the final minutes, but had his best scored the only TD of the game to start the 4th.

I have been an admitted Flacco hater, but the guy has really opened my eyes this year. All this with the worst OC in the NFL. Give him a competent OC, and I really like his future.

Good points caller.
I also have been an admitted Flacco-critic. I still can't get over him not being able to beat out Ty Palko.

billybeejr · 11-26-2011, 06:57 PM

This group of quarterbacks have been disappointing this season, but I expect most of them to take a big step forward next season after a full offseason.

Cam Newton is better than all of them already.

soybean · 11-26-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by billybeejr

This group of quarterbacks have been disappointing this season, but I expect most of them to take a big step forward next season after a full offseason.

Cam Newton is better than all of them already.

He's been pretty underwhelming these past 5 games.

billybeejr · 11-26-2011, 08:30 PM

That's saying something about the Young Guns in this thread, isn't it? I also think Dalton has played better than all of them this year.

Ngatachance92 · 11-26-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by billybeejr

That's saying something about the Young Guns in this thread, isn't it? I also think Dalton has played better than all of them this year.

What's it saying?

billybeejr · 11-26-2011, 08:40 PM

I don't think any of them have played up to expectations this year, and have been surpassed by rookies. I'm disappointed in Freeman more than anyone, granted I have only seen the monday night game. None of them seem to have progressed.

Ngatachance92 · 11-26-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by billybeejr

I don't think any of them have played up to expectations this year, and have been surpassed by rookies. I'm disappointed in Freeman more than anyone, granted I have only seen the monday night game. None of them seem to have progressed.

I don't think they've been surpassed yet after one season, you can say maybe they have performed better at times but this debate is far from concluded. I think this year Flacco has shown he can be pretty clutch as thegreatone has pointed out and should that carry over to the playoffs, people may have a bit of a different view on Joe Cool moving forward.

Ravens1991 · 11-26-2011, 08:50 PM

Flacco finally had good primetime games. Flacco looked terrible VS. Jacksonville and NYJ the first two primetime games so that only added fuel to the bad clutch rep. BUt in the last two primetime games he did something no one thought would have been done VS. PITT and he played well VS. San Fran. Hopefully he turned the corner and is going to be clutch from now on.

Raiderz4Life · 11-26-2011, 08:52 PM

Saying the rookies are outplaying them is true to a certain extent but to say they are better is erroneous. A lot of these guys played really well their rookie years, who's to guarantee we won't see some type of regression from Dalton, Ponder and Newton??

billybeejr · 11-26-2011, 08:54 PM

Joe Flacco will be judged by what he does in the postseason. That's all that matters for him at this point. Not blaming former postseason losses on him necessarily, but his legacy will be determined by the playoffs on that Ravens team with the great defense that hasn't won it all in a decade now.