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Old 11-08-2010, 02:57 PM    (permalink
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Wade Phillips is a winner. He's been a winner his whole career.


But if you want any playoff success, you can't hire him as your HC, so ultimately I was fine with him in Dallas bc I always felt he'd screw up for you guys when it mattered the most.

Think about it, the one playoff win you guys had was against an Eagles team that backpeddled into the playoffs, that was so banged up just about anyone would beat them.

Then the following week the Vikings destroyed the Cowboys.

You guys weren't going anywhere with Wade.
You cannot blame that Vikings loss on Wade. Our offensive line, the same offensive line that gets raped on a weekly basis, was destroyed from start to finish. That line always wears down by December and later on...they're all too fat for their own good. Our late season offensive line struggles coincide with Romo's Decemeber struggles and into the playoffs. It was a revolving door against the Vikes. That loss is not on Wade or Romo. It was pathetic and the line is getting beat just as bad this year.
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He did coach us to two division titles. It wasnt all bad.
Nor was he the worst HC in the NFL, there were at least 2 worse named Childress & Singletary. Here's my Schottenheimer Award list for worst NFL Head Coach:

The Worst List IMHO:
1) Childress: Poor control of his shortfused redheaded personality temper translated into little or no control of his team, lost the locker room over Randy ******* Moss, how smart is that? Guy's an idiot.
2) Singletary: Good asst. just clueless in game mgmt..... rah-rah "3-minute yeller" type at best, at worst he gets players hurt with bonehead moves.
3) Maybe Wade, just too soft in camp, in presesaon, & & the regular season was just plain team suicide, & it came straight from the top too, firing was overdue & deserved.
3A) Maybe Lovie Smith: Throwing the red flag is all he knows how to do, & gets that wrong most of the time.
4) Andy "Big Gut" Reid: Incredibly overrated, how many tmes have his assts. bailed him out? How many playoff games including a Super Bowl did he botch with poor playcalling, time mgmt, etc? A lot.
5) Rahim Morris:just for making that asinine statement about his below-avg. team being the best in conference. Not false confidence, just effing moronic.
6) Tom Coughlin: Ask Jags fans how they felt about his ruining their team, he's an overpromoted HS coach, winning a SB saved his job when the team mutinied.

edit: was going to add Mangini, but Cleveland has turned it around the last 2 games including a shallacking of the Patriots so he has to have some credit.

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The big question is who takes over next year. What happens if Garrett rallies the troops and gets to 7-9 or 8-8? He would have to be fired to bring in a new head coach. Plenty to still talk about.
If Garrett does that good of a job, I think he should stay, but I would look for the things the Cowboys do right that they didn't do when Phillips was there. This is all a bunch of what ifs though. Phillips was completely lost out there and had to go.
The bigger question would be is there going to be a next year. We're seeing teams hang on to coaches who should have been fired or hiring much cheaper coaches because they still have to pay those guys in 2011, even if they have no one to coach. Owners are playing it much more conservatively because of the CBA.
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How good (or bad) of a DC is Wade though? My Texans sure could use some help on D.
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You cannot blame that Vikings loss on Wade. Our offensive line, the same offensive line that gets raped on a weekly basis, was destroyed from start to finish. That line always wears down by December and later on...they're all too fat for their own good. Our late season offensive line struggles coincide with Romo's Decemeber struggles and into the playoffs. It was a revolving door against the Vikes. That loss is not on Wade or Romo. It was pathetic and the line is getting beat just as bad this year.
I think most people are recognizing Romo as the unsung hero of the Cowboys right now. They weren't good earlier this year when he was playing, but they were competitive in almost every game. Since he's been hurt they completely rolled over. He definitely looks like the glue that was holding that team together and maybe the only leader on the team.
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How good (or bad) of a DC is Wade though? My Texans sure could use some help on D.
He's always been a very highly regarded coordinator. One of the best 34 defensive guys in the league. A guru of sorts.

And he had our defense playing at an elite level, up until this year.
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Coughlin is a perfectly fine coach, and outside of godawful clock management and pretty eh offensive play calling, Reid is capable enough. Chain Gailey, John Fox, Norv Turner, Kubiak, Caldwell (he really isn't a coach but that doesn't matter), and JDR are all worse.
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Nor was he the worst HC in the NFL, there were at least 2 worse named Childress & Singletary. Here's my Schottenheimer Award list for worst NFL Head Coach:

The Worst List IMHO:
1) Childress: Poor control of his shortfused redheaded personality temper translated into little or no control of his team, lost the locker room over Randy ******* Moss, how smart is that? Guy's an idiot.
2) Singletary: Good asst. just clueless in game mgmt..... rah-rah "3-minute yeller" type at best, at worst he gets players hurt with bonehead moves.
3) Maybe Wade, just too soft in camp, in presesaon, & & the regular season was just plain team suicide, & it came straight from the top too, firing was overdue & deserved.
3A) Maybe Lovie Smith: Throwing the red flag is all he knows how to do, & gets that wrong most of the time.
4) Andy "Big Gut" Reid: Incredibly overrated, how many tmes have his assts. bailed him out? How many playoff games including a Super Bowl did he botch with poor playcalling, time mgmt, etc? A lot.
5) Rahim Moore :just for making that asinine statement about his below-avg. team being the best in conference. Not false confidence, just effing moronic.
6) Tom Coughlin: Ask Jags fans how they felt about his ruining their team, he's an overpromoted HS coach, winning a SB saved his job when the team mutinied.
Raheem Morris.
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I think most people are recognizing Romo as the unsung hero of the Cowboys right now. They weren't good earlier this year when he was playing, but they were competitive in almost every game. Since he's been hurt they completely rolled over. He definitely looks like the glue that was holding that team together and maybe the only leader on the team.
It's funny...how much hate the guy gets. But look how horrible we are without him. Our line is complete garbage, and yet Romo still manages to scramble and dodge his way to 300 yard games week after week. He really should be commended, because this offense is garbage without him.
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Why the Raheem Morris hate with the turnover Tampa Bay has had this year?
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Why the Raheem Morris hate with the turnover Tampa Bay has had this year?
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Apparently brash & bold are only acceptable when you're a fat guy named Rex with a roster full of talent.
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sorry, off by a syllable, fixed it. My apologies to Rahim Moore.
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Dallas sucks because their head coach, GM, talent evaluator, and owner all sit in a suit in a press box. The rest of the people on the field are just players or puppets.

It's the same reason why the next Dallas Cowboys head coach will be a mid-level coaching prospect instead of a good one.
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Morris wasn't the best last year, but he's doing a solid job this year and he's better than the coaches I mentioned.
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Morris wasn't the best last year, but he's doing a solid job this year and he's better than the coaches I mentioned.
Any coach who is .500 or better is a better coach than average, except Jim Caldwell.
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The big question is who takes over next year. What happens if Garrett rallies the troops and gets to 7-9 or 8-8? He would have to be fired to bring in a new head coach. Plenty to still talk about.
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The big question is who takes over next year. What happens if Garrett rallies the troops and gets to 7-9 or 8-8? He would have to be fired to bring in a new head coach. Plenty to still talk about.
Not with Kitna at QB. Although with the Cowboys at this very low point of their season a "rally" would be putting 2-3 more wins together. Still drafting top 5, unavoidable humiliation for Jones in his interview on draft day.

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Not with Kitna at QB. Although with the Cowboys at this very low point of their season a "rally" would be putting 2-3 more wins together. Still drafting to 5, unavoidable humiliation for Jones on draft day.
I really don't see the harm in starting McGee to see what you have. At least get some live game reps to see what he has.....young QBs have been tossed out there in far worse situations. If he plays even respectably, you at least know you have a decent backup for the future, which Kitna is not. If he sucks, then at least you know it and can find a new backup after the season.
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Dallas sucks because their head coach, GM, talent evaluator, and owner all sit in a suit in a press box. The rest of the people on the field are just players or puppets.

It's the same reason why the next Dallas Cowboys head coach will be a mid-level coaching prospect instead of a good one.
You wanna take a stab at just how many head coaches in the NFL are just head coaches, who don't have GM-like power?

Jerry has shown that he is willing to allow the HC get involved in personnel decisions. He has shown that he will draft guys who the HC wants. He has shown that if the HC wants a certain player in FA, that he'll go after him and spend BIG bucks. Jerry is about as supportive a GM as there is out there. He stepped up and has taken on the blame for this year. He's openly said that. But when things go well, he wants to be apart of the reason why they succeeded to. It's natural.
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Jerry definitely can't win.

He gets lambasted for keeping Wade while other owners get lambasted for not sticking with a coach and doing the coaching carousel thing.
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I didn't read the whole thread and don't plan to but I have never been a fan of letting your HC go midseason, a NFL season is to short and it doesn't really solve anything.
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I really don't see the harm in starting McGee to see what you have. At least get some live game reps to see what he has.....young QBs have been tossed out there in far worse situations. If he plays even respectably, you at least know you have a decent backup for the future, which Kitna is not. If he sucks, then at least you know it and can find a new backup after the season.
Garrett is coaching for his life...he obviously would like the best players on the field. That's why Wade and crew werent playing a lot of our younger guys...it's not like they have job security. And Kitna is much better than Mcgee.

They'll probably still be comfortable enough with Mcgee as one of the backups next year. He's still not the future of this team...it's not like he's ever going to take over for Romo. His seeing the field this year isn't that paramount. Factor in, the pride factor of Jerry Jones and our horrible O-Line. It's not that necessary.

It may happen...but I dont really care either way. He's nothing special.
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The Cowboys have totally quit on Wade. They needed a new face to coach the team even if it really won't solve their problems this year.
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Garrett is coaching for his life...he obviously would like the best players on the field. That's why Wade and crew werent playing a lot of our younger guys...it's not like they have job security. And Kitna is much better than Mcgee.

They'll probably still be comfortable enough with Mcgee as one of the backups next year.
So McGee is also worthless eh?
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