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Our safety situation last year was just as bad, if not worse, and quite frankly, even with that, our CBs had much better years than Jenkins is having this year.

Webster was having a great year until he got hurt, then he had a rough 4 games or so in a row after that and was above average but not shutdown after that.

TT was actually having an amazing year last year, even with the terrible safety play.

So while the safeties are surely part of the problem, they aren't the sole reason why Jenkins is having a terrible year. He's just having a bad year, that's all.

Look at the Jets. They basically run cover 0 every 3rd down and their safeties are terrible too. They manage.

Jenkins is just having a bad year.
We're 1-7. I don't think there is a single player that is having a good year.




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I think if I reranked the 08 corners Id rank Jenkins about 6th which is fine, id kick him in the nards if he did that on my team though
Seriously.... even if you or anyone else reranked them, nobody would care.

Nobody says, hmm let me rank the 2001 DE class and gets anything out of it. Who cares?
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Cutting Jenkins would be the dumbest idea ever. Losing your best player (albeit lazy) on a crappy secondary is not a smart way to rebuild it.

BTW any Titans fans think Mike Heimerdinger is exactly what the cowboys need? I hope they don't give him the time of day though.
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Most of the defense has been underachieving, including Jay Ratliff.

That was a pathetic play, but he's still a nice talent at corner. I wouldn't cut him.
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Jim Mora is an idiot or just trying to be controversial. The Cowboys would just let him go down with the ship this season and trade him in the offseason. If he's poisoning the team, they are already poisoned, so it makes no difference. They won't be able to really clean house until the offseason and they have a coach (or Garrett signs on officially as coach and can come up with a plan to coach instead of coordinate).
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Jim Mora is literally fishing for a job. He's putting this out there in the hopes that Jerruh reads it and just goes 'yeah, that's the man we need, a tough guy.'
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Exactly. They should cut the pay of the guys who are on bad teams too.

I mean, if you're going to dog it just because the team isn't doing well, then why pay the guy? If team success is your only motivation to live up to your contract, then the whole "money" thing shouldn't be a problem.
I know it's a capital sin in football to give up, but you're team is virtually eliminated (I think mathematically if the Giants win and the Cowboys lose). The worst thing that will happen to him is being cut. And based on recent performance, he'll get another deal.
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so he quit on the field, who cares

half the panthers team has quit off the field. jeff otah just went on IR after missing the first 8 weeks of the season after getting a knee scope. A KNEE SCOPE
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I've said it before, but he doesnt have the greatest attitude. He can get demoralized if he gets beat, but when he's got it going...he plays with an unmatched swagger, and just gets better and better as the game wears on. He has all the talent in the world, but a pretty bad attitude to go with it. As is the case with many players.

He needs a good kick in the ass every once and a while. And yes, schematic changes and better safety play will help him out as well. I'm not worried about him yet...but he needs to learn to man up, because he has evidently quit before, when things get tough. And that crap just isnt going to fly...especially if we land one of those stronger willed coaches.
Is it really just about attitude? Clearly he has attitude issues, but even when the Cowboys began the season he still was playing really bad. Granted, he's super talented, but being talented and motivated still doesn't always result in productivity.

He was amazing last year, but is possible teams have adjusted to him in some shape or form?

Really I'm just spit balling ideas for the sake of discussion.
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Is it really just about attitude? Clearly he has attitude issues, but even when the Cowboys began the season he still was playing really bad. Granted, he's super talented, but being talented and motivated still doesn't always result in productivity.

He was amazing last year, but is possible teams have adjusted to him in some shape or form?

Really I'm just spit balling ideas for the sake of discussion.
Jenkins actually started off the first few games just fine...but its gotten worse and worse. The dude is just really cocky, sometimes he thinks he's better than he is, imo. When he starts to get beat...things just start going down hill.

Add to the fact, that he's not getting away with as much of that shoving he was doing a year ago. A lot of the time, he's in great position, he just tries to be too physical sometimes.
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I think someone needs to get the ax here. I don't think Jenkins is the guy since he's young, but maybe cut an old slacking big name who isn't getting it done. Most bad teams play really, really hard. Look at the Bills and the Lions. Those teams play hard all the time, and it's for 2 reasons:

1) They love winning
2) They're playing for their jobs.

I'm sure the Cowboys all like to win, but this season is an abortion and they figure they've won before and will win again soon. But it doesn't look like any of them feel like their jobs are at risk for playing like ****. I say get rid of someone to wake everyone else the **** up. At this point with Kitna at QB and that OL, losing games is okay, but what isn't okay is getting your ass whooped for the past 10 quarters.
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I think Mora is venting the frustration of what he wished he could do in his final year at Seattle.
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I lol'd at the idea in general since it came from Mora. Like he'd have the balls to pull something like this as a coach.

But I agree Jenkins needs a strong move to show him this type of quit is unacceptable. He's too good to cut, but benching his ass for a game or two should make the point.
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I lol'd at the idea in general since it came from Mora. Like he'd have the balls to pull something like this as a coach.

But I agree Jenkins needs a strong move to show him this type of quit is unacceptable. He's too good to cut, but benching his ass for a game or two should make the point.
Make a statement. Bench him from his starting role and put him on kick return and coverage duties and let him get beat up a bit
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I think if I reranked the 08 corners Id rank Jenkins about 6th which is fine, id kick him in the nards if he did that on my team though
DRC
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Aqib Talib
Mike Jenkins
Antoine Cason
Brandon Flowers
Terrell Thomas
Brandon Carr



The only guys who have consistently been better then Jenkins have been Aqib Talib and Brandon Flowers. Thomas is better right now but he had a down season, I saw Roy Williams beat him pretty bad a few times when Roy was still sucking, and I don't think Thomas at his best was playing better then Jenkins at his best(JMO).


DRC has had really high moments especially in the playoff run, but he's been terrible of late. He probably gives more effort then Jenkins but their career path has been similiar. McKelvin hasn't been out there vs #1 WR's shutting down guys at an elite level but the potential is still there.


Cason has been solid, consistently good from what I've noticed but reason alot of people were afraid of him was because he was perceived to have a high floor but not the elite ceiling like so many others. Brandon Carr also has been really solid but don't think he's played as well as Jenks has.


So which 5 would you put above Jenkins? His rookie season was an average rookie season for any CB. He started off shaky, making some mistakes, showing flashes of being a shut down guy, and got better as the season went on. Hell the ironic thing about it all is Orlando Scandrick had a better rookie year then everyone on this list as he was a 5th rounder that season, but I'd probably rank them right now:


1. Brandon Flowers
2. Aqib Talib(still not the hugest fan, but he's a beast in the Tampa 2, just not sure he would in another scheme)
3. Terrell Thomas
4. Mike Jenkins
5. DRC
6. McKelvin
7. Brandon Carr
8. Antoine Cason



I guess you could interchange DRC and Jenkins because their pretty similiar, but I wouldn't put anyone in 6-8 higher right now because they haven't played at a higher level then DRC or Jenkins at any one point. I still don't think Talib would be anywhere near as good in our scheme, and McKelvin is the wildcard because it's not like he still can't become a shutdown guy, it just hasn't happened probably as soon as Buffalo would have liked. Still this was a great year for a CB or RB, so there was talent pretty deep into the draft.


I used to think Antwaun Molden would be a top 10 CB in the league.
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There's like 5 to 10 CBs that are viewed as 'good' by popular opinion and the rest are viewed as 'sucking' by most people. NFL teams would never be able to keep a group of CBs together if they cut one every time he had a bad game or bad play. They play in a league in which the rules favor the pass catchers.
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1. Brandon Flowers
2. Aqib Talib(still not the hugest fan, but he's a beast in the Tampa 2, just not sure he would in another scheme)
3. Terrell Thomas
4. Mike Jenkins
5. DRC
6. McKelvin
7. Brandon Carr
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I guess you could interchange DRC and Jenkins because their pretty similiar, but I wouldn't put anyone in 6-8 higher right now because they haven't played at a higher level then DRC or Jenkins at any one point. I still don't think Talib would be anywhere near as good in our scheme, and McKelvin is the wildcard because it's not like he still can't become a shutdown guy, it just hasn't happened probably as soon as Buffalo would have liked. Still this was a great year for a CB or RB, so there was talent pretty deep into the draft.
I have never really been a big Aqib Talib fan, but then again Im not a fan of the Tampa 2. I really think it covers any real weaknesses in a CB's play. For example, the Colts have always had what seemed to be very good CBs(Tim Jennings aside) but they always struggle when they move on. Aqib Talib in a man scheme would be no better than mediocre IMO.
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I have never really been a big Aqib Talib fan, but then again Im not a fan of the Tampa 2. I really think it covers any real weaknesses in a CB's play. For example, the Colts have always had what seemed to be very good CBs(Tim Jennings aside) but they always struggle when they move on. Aqib Talib in a man scheme would be no better than mediocre IMO.
I agree completely, which is why Talib would have been a terrible fit for what we ask out CB's to do. It's hard for me to hold it against him, he is playing well in the scheme he's in, but there are a ton of teams who he could go to and I think he'd look no better then average. I like more versatility in my CB's then what he has, or has shown.


Flowers on the other hand would be a monster in a Tampa 2, but he has that versatility to play a heavy man scheme without safety help, he's done it also. I was concerned about him in this regards pre-draft, just not as much as with Talib.
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Jim Mora is literally fishing for a job. He's putting this out there in the hopes that Jerruh reads it and just goes 'yeah, that's the man we need, a tough guy.'
This might be even worse than "Mike Vick is a coach killer!!!"

No, your son is a ****** coach. Mike Vick is the only reason he kept the Atlanta job for more than one season.
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Woah hold on there now sir. I do believe a certain LT from that team in Minnesota was selected as well last year
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He shouldn't be cut because there is obviously talent there. But he shouldn't have seen the field the remainder of that game. And his playing time should be taken away to motivate him. Send him a message and get him motivated for next season.
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Right, because it's not like he played great last year or anything. And even with how great he played he didn't even get in until a few people backed out, quit crying and bitching like he played like **** and got a pro bowl giftwrapped for him.
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Look on the bright side cowboy fans, at least he didn't pull this crap in a playoff game, giving away a game sealing td..................cro.
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1. Brandon Flowers
2. Aqib Talib(still not the hugest fan, but he's a beast in the Tampa 2, just not sure he would in another scheme)
3. Terrell Thomas
4. Mike Jenkins
5. DRC
6. McKelvin
7. Brandon Carr
8. Antoine Cason
Id have Tracy Porter, DRC and McKelvin over Jenkins when I look at your ranking on top of TT , Flowers and Talib who you also have above him
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