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Old 11-28-2010, 10:32 AM    (permalink
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Don't think the Pats would spend the pick necessary to trade for Fitz.
Probably not, as its one of those situations that makes far too much sense to actually happen. That said, I'd imagine that Oakland's first this year and maybe one of their second rounders would get it done for Fitz, which would still leave them with a late first rounder and most likely the first pick in the second round (Carolina). I know they value their draft picks very highly, but if the opportunity comes around to send some of those for a Top 3 receiver in his prime, I think you absolutely have to pull the trigger when you can get that and still have two picks in the 26-33 range.
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Don't think the Pats would spend the pick necessary to trade for Fitz.
If they're planning on taking a rookie WR with one of their first rounders, why not simply send that along with another pick to get a proven NFL WR still in his prime?

It does make too much sense to happen though...
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Don't think the Pats would spend the pick necessary to trade for Fitz.
Why is that? We've shown we're interested in receivers like this before. We were willing to do a deal for Boldin last year, but it fell through. We're looking at spending a first rounder on a receiver right now anyway. Fitz would be better right away than anyone we could get in the draft and be a great cultural fit. Plus it would give BB another chance to sit back and stockpile picks for a couple years, which we all know he loves doing.
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:42 AM    (permalink
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Why is that? We've shown we're interested in receivers like this before. We were willing to do a deal for Boldin last year, but it fell through. We're looking at spending a first rounder on a receiver right now anyway. Fitz would be better right away than anyone we could get in the draft and be a great cultural fit. Plus it would give BB another chance to sit back and stockpile picks for a couple years, which we all know he loves doing.
I wouldn't say the Pats have shown they are willing to spend a first for a WR. How do we know that? Sorry, but the organization has valued 1st and 2nd round picks so much the past few years, it is tough to see.
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Not going to happen but... Nicks and Fitzgerald would make me do backflips.

Just a dream but, Smith in the slot, Manningham to spread 'em deep, Nicks and Fitz on the edges. Oh lord.
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I wouldn't say the Pats have shown they are willing to spend a first for a WR. How do we know that? Sorry, but the organization has valued 1st and 2nd round picks so much the past few years, it is tough to see.
Well...they have a shitton of picks and will probably trade some for picks next year. Look at the 2007 draft when the Patriots, literally, had no room on their roster for drafted players. They took Meriweather and tried to trade the rest of the draft away. The picks they couldn't trade were used on guys that could make it to the practice squad...

So if they have their roster filled out (which they just about do at this point), they'll get rid of the picks.
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I wouldn't say the Pats have shown they are willing to spend a first for a WR. How do we know that? Sorry, but the organization has valued 1st and 2nd round picks so much the past few years, it is tough to see.
We've shown we're willing to trade for a big time wide receiver. We really wanted Boldin last year and were involved in the trade discussions for him for the two years that entire thing dragged on.

I just think that if we're probably going to draft a receiver if the first anyway(or should) then why not use that pick to get Fitz?
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I don't think the Patriots will take a WR in the first. They didn't trade for Boldin because they weren't willing to pay the price Baltimore was I imagine. I'm not sure that quite helps the case that they would. Yes, the Patriots will trade away picks. It likely will be for picks next year.
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That would be a badass fit. He seems to have none of the character issues that plague other top WRs, which is perfect for the Pats. Couple him with Brady and the other elite weapons on that offense and they'd be back to 16-0 form...offensively at least....with enough picks still leftover after the presumed trade to get younger on the o-line and defense.
Would easily give up this years pair of 1sts for him.
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I don't think the Patriots will take a WR in the first. They didn't trade for Boldin because they weren't willing to pay the price Baltimore was I imagine. I'm not sure that quite helps the case that they would. Yes, the Patriots will trade away picks. It likely will be for picks next year.
See I disagree with you on the taking a wide receiver in the first thing and I think that's where it falls apart. We absolutely need a mid to deep range target. Desperately. Tate has shown multiple times over that his hands just aren't up to par with his speed and while it's not fair to doubt he'll ever develop right now in spite of his troubles, we need to move on and assume he won't because Welker and Branch are not scaring off the safeties of the NFL from clogging the middle. We're prime time candidates to AJ Green or Julio Jones, maybe even Baldwin if the Raiders finish with a winning record.
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I don't think the Patriots will take a WR in the first. They didn't trade for Boldin because they weren't willing to pay the price Baltimore was I imagine. I'm not sure that quite helps the case that they would. Yes, the Patriots will trade away picks. It likely will be for picks next year.
They've drafted a couple of WRs in the early second and traded a second for Welker. There's just never been any WR worth drafting where the Pats have drafted in the first round.

What direction they go in the draft really depends on how the rest of their season turns out and how the rest of Oakland's season turns out. The need areas for the Pats are replacing Light & Koppen, getting another quality OLB, adding a strong RB, and getting a big WR to keep the defense honest.
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I for one don't see Arizona trading Fitz. It makes perfect sense to do so, but teams are stubborn and typically don't trade elite players in their prime just because their team is bad. Carolina should have traded Peppers as well, and there are a ton of other situations I can think of where teams just end up letting their franchise player rot on their team while they suck every season.


I also don't see them giving him up to New England. Usually a team looks at what they are getting in compensation but I don't think anybody would willingly be open 2 giving arguably the leagues best WR to the team with arguably the best QB and best team. I think teams pay attention to what team they are gonna be trading with, and what said team looks like afterwards.


Chiefs do make alot of sense, but I bet he doesn't get traded even though he probably should.
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I for one don't see Arizona trading Fitz. It makes perfect sense to do so, but teams are stubborn and typically don't trade elite players in their prime just because their team is bad. Carolina should have traded Peppers as well, and there are a ton of other situations I can think of where teams just end up letting their franchise player rot on their team while they suck every season.


I also don't see them giving him up to New England. Usually a team looks at what they are getting in compensation but I don't think anybody would willingly be open 2 giving arguably the leagues best WR to the team with arguably the best QB and best team. I think teams pay attention to what team they are gonna be trading with, and what said team looks like afterwards.


Chiefs do make alot of sense, but I bet he doesn't get traded even though he probably should.
They can't franchise him from what I've read, and given the overall cheapness of the Cardinals coupled with the fact that he'll want to go somewhere with an established QB, he isn't going to resign.

So they can stubbornly sit on him for a year, then let him walk, and a year later collect a 3rd round comp pick if they want.
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Fitz playing for Haley again makes so much sense, but I'm not sure if we're willing to pay what they'd want.
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id give up around 3 picks to get him back at heinz field where he played college ball....i have always been more pro boldin out of the 2 card WRs but theres no denying this guys talent. the only receivers i have over him are calvin and andre johnson.

no way we would trade that many picks, and no way wed pay his salary though
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They can't franchise him from what I've read, and given the overall cheapness of the Cardinals coupled with the fact that he'll want to go somewhere with an established QB, he isn't going to resign.

So they can stubbornly sit on him for a year, then let him walk, and a year later collect a 3rd round comp pick if they want.
I know what the obvious answer is, but I'd bet my money that they take the stubborn route, alot of franchises end up doing it. I also think Fitz is one of the freaks we'll see playing at a high level until he's well into his 30's like TO is now.
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Fitz playing for Haley again makes so much sense, but I'm not sure if we're willing to pay what they'd want.
Dunno...if the best pick in a mock for the Chiefs is Floyd...they should be able to look at that and decide that trading Floyd for Fitzgerald will work out pretty swell.
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I know what the obvious answer is, but I'd bet my money that they take the stubborn route, alot of franchises end up doing it. I also think Fitz is one of the freaks we'll see playing at a high level until he's well into his 30's like TO is now.
I think they'll be stubborn and he ends up walking, as well. It sucks because it'll make Fitz look like the bad guy even though he just wants to win and the ability to do that has passed by the Cardinals. They're taking steps backwards while the other teams in that division are making massive strides to becoming decent NFL teams.
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Fitz playing for Haley again makes so much sense, but I'm not sure if we're willing to pay what they'd want.
we should be willing.if we're gonna take a WR early in the draft why not package a couple of picks for the best in the biz
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Well, from what I've read, they can't franchise him, and getting to agree to a long term deal next year would be very difficult unless they suddenly find a miracle solution at QB.

So it's trade him for what you can get, or let him walk and, at best, get a 3rd round comp pick a year later....
we can franchise him, it would just cost $20MM

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we can franchise him, it would just cost $20MM
The article seems to suggest that they can't:

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The question as to Fitzgerald becomes whether the Cardinals want to try to get value for him before the 2011 season ends, at which time he can leave without the use of the franchise tag or any other restricted.(sic)
I dunno.
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I love Fitzgerald but I honestly can't see us making this trade. We have the picks to do it, but I think we are going to hold onto them and use them on draft day. I would welcome Larry with open arms, but we are looking pretty good at WR now and have been getting a lot out of our TE's. We need to work on adding OL and front 7 help through the draft, but I would be ecstatic if we took Fitzgerald too. He literally would be a perfect fit for us.
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I'd give up a 1st round pick.
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If Donovan is indeed back no reason to think that the skins wouldn't consider trying to get Fitz with our top 15 pick as the base of the trade.
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