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Old 11-29-2010, 05:22 PM    (permalink
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The Cowboys have a filthy-rich owner, no budget and they only have one team, not 30.
Yeah people are only looking at this through football. Imagine being USF basketball and playing in Syracuse Monday night and having a game in Fort Worth later that week or on Saturday. Obviously they'll try to avoid drastic scenarios like that, but one or two are bound to pop up with 17 teams. The Big East is a joke in football. I care more about this for basketball and it's so unnecessary.
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Also, not only does TCU start Big East play in 2012 but they also start a home-and-home series with Oklahoma. In 2013 they start a home-and-home with LSU.
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Would be nice so we could get another Big 12 team in there!
A&M did beat both teams in our conference championship... just sayin'
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Also, not only does TCU start Big East play in 2012 but they also start a home-and-home series with Oklahoma. In 2013 they start a home-and-home with LSU.
Oklahoma isn't home and home, just one game in 2012 @TCU.
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A&M did beat both teams in our conference championship... just sayin'
It's that whole pesky getting blown out by Mizzou that kills ya!
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Oklahoma isn't home and home, just one game in 2012 @TCU.
Thought it was a home-and-home. I know LSU is. 2013 @ LSU, 2014 @ TCU. They also play Virginia in 2012.
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Thought it was a home-and-home. I know LSU is. 2013 @ LSU, 2014 @ TCU. They also play Virginia in 2012.
Yup, also at home against Virginia.
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You're right, you don't get it. The Big East is better than the MWC minus TCU, Utah, and BYU. They were better regardless, but they are clearly better now.

There's an affinity for the Mountain West on this board that simply doesn't jive with reality. This is clearly a no-brainer for TCU.
Sorry man I just did not get it. No need to blow up like that. If the Big East also got Houston it would be really good for them too.
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The Big East is better than the MWC minus TCU, Utah, and BYU. They were better regardless, but they are clearly better now.
They weren't better regardless.

Nevada, Fresno State, Boise State, TCU, Utah, BYU. Then you have Air Force and Wyoming who have a good year here and there. A rumor that the WMC wanted Houston as a final member . . .

If the Big East played a "BigEast-MWC Challenge" (like the Big 10 and ACC does in basketball), the MWC would win, hands down.
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This is good stuff. And you also touch on why I can't stand BSU getting pollster love. I'm so glad TCU is stepping up a notch.
I think what's also notable is that out of TCU, Utah and BYU... TCU going to the Big East is probably the best move of them all. Utah going to the Pac 12 is going to be very tough for them to come out on top...or even finish in the Top 2. BYU going Independent is likely to be a tough road for them, as I said earlier. Going Independent is a costly venture that also puts you in a scheduling bind similar to what ND is stuck in. But TCU going to the Big East... they could winning that Conference and getting the automatic bid seems to be the easiest road to BCS dollar$$$.
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More like celebrating.
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They weren't better regardless.

Nevada, Fresno State, Boise State, TCU, Utah, BYU. Then you have Air Force and Wyoming who have a good year here and there. A rumor that the WMC wanted Houston as a final member . . .

If the Big East played a "BigEast-MWC Challenge" (like the Big 10 and ACC does in basketball), the MWC would win, hands down.
With the addition of Boise State, yeah, probably. But it's a non-sequitur anyway. Utah and BYU aren't in the MWC and that means it's basically just the WAC again.

Also, how can you include TCU when comparing the two conferences? The whole point is which conference provides more of an overall profile boost for TCU.

Then again if you're including Houston I guess anything is possible.
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With the addition of Boise State, yeah, probably. But it's a non-sequitur anyway. Utah and BYU aren't in the MWC and that means it's basically just the WAC again.

Also, how can you include TCU when comparing the two conferences? The whole point is which conference provides more of an overall profile boost for TCU.

Then again if you're including Houston I guess anything is possible.
If you look at the current situation that they have right now, the move made sense, because the MWC with TCU wasn't better than the Big East without TCU, so obviously subtracting a top 2 team from a conference and adding it to the top 5 (likely #1 TBH) of the Big East, makes perfect sense for them.

As far as how relevant the talk of what teams would have been in the MWC, it takes time for people to grasp how much the MWC has lost. They had a lot of positive momentum going until Utah and BYU broke off. Now TCU breaking off basically makes it another WAC (if TCU had stayed, I would have compared it to the MWC 2.0, not the WAC...).

I'm simply saying that the feeling that you are talking about (MWC > Big East) is predicated on a large amount of what was happening a few months ago.
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Yeah but that's not true either.

The Mountain West has NEVER been higher than ANY of the AQ conferences in the Sagarin ratings. Ever. Any year. Any conference.

Why? Because a conference is more than just 3 teams. In your proposed challenge, the bottom 4-5 teams would get slaughtered.

Yes, TCU and Utah are great teams. But they have played a bunch of cupcake teams. Sorry, but that's just reality. They know it too, that's why they are leaving.
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I'm laughing thinking of how the MWC will basically be this years WAC. haha Boise leaves to get strength of schedule and TCU waives goodbye.
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Yeah, have to agree. Terrible week for Boise State football.
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I'm laughing thinking of how the MWC will basically be this years WAC. haha Boise leaves to get strength of schedule and TCU waives goodbye.
Yeah, well Strength of Schedule was one way to get respect for BCS bowl game eligibility. However, you probably haven't read anything previously posted in this thread because Boise is now the big dog in the kennel and nobody really stands a chance at challenging them for the non-BCS conference spot. They could get it every year if they continue to be as dominant as they have been. Which is a lot easier than being in the Pac 12 and having to come out at the top like Utah has to do.

Who's screwed the most out of everyone? The rest of the WAC. Teams like NMSU. ;)
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Yeah, have to agree. Terrible week for Boise State football.
Their future is still bright.

Terrible week though yes because they have to share the WAC Championship Title with Hawaii and Nevada. lol. ...Oh and they lost millions because of their kicker.
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Their future is still bright.

Terrible week though yes because they have to share the WAC Championship Title with Hawaii and Nevada. lol. ...Oh and they lost millions because of their kicker.
BSU is set up for a ton of BCS games if they continue to play like they have over the years.

But at the same time they dont want that conference to get weaker, they made that move with the hope of possibly playing for a title one day.
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I see TCU doing to the Big East what FSU did to the ACC in the 90's.
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Yeah, well Strength of Schedule was one way to get respect for BCS bowl game eligibility. However, you probably haven't read anything previously posted in this thread because Boise is now the big dog in the kennel and nobody really stands a chance at challenging them for the non-BCS conference spot. They could get it every year if they continue to be as dominant as they have been. Which is a lot easier than being in the Pac 12 and having to come out at the top like Utah has to do.

Who's screwed the most out of everyone? The rest of the WAC. Teams like NMSU. ;)
Boise is now going to have the same problem they have had while playing in the WAC and that is the lack of competition. Playing TCU would have definitely helped that every year. Utah is leaving as well as TCU and BYU so Boise gets to play pretty much the same teams. The WAC is going after Texas State and UTSA. NMSU now has a legit chance of winning the WAC. haha :)
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More like celebrating.
Huh? Any chance at playing in a legitimate conference just went out the window...

They're basically back in the WAC again.
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This makes no geographical sense to me. Go money.
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More money for them in all sports, including football. With the high profile basketball teams, that will be a huge financial boost as well.
I think this is the key element to all this. MWS may be arguably better in football than the Big East but in other sports, particularly basketball, it is a totally different league. Joining the Big East gives them a great shot at being in an AQ league for football, them joining will likely save that status, but also puts their basketball program into a real league where it can recruit Texas and probably become a legitimately powerful program.

From a football perspective it is a good move, from the other sports it is a phenomenal move.

It's a pity for the MWS, the little league that can just fell apart with realignment and it had a good chance to become a legit conference.

BSU loses a lot of the credibility the league would have given them but also loses a competitor to get into the NC and BCS bowls, it's a win/lose move for them.
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