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Old 12-06-2010, 02:26 PM    (permalink
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My initial reaction in no. The only question I have is did Suh punch him in the head? It kind of looks that way, but it's hard to say, and it's even harder to say if he did it on purpose.
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no that is not unnecessary roughness.as if the NFL had'nt gone far enough wimpifying the QB ths call is taking to a new level of wussness
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EDIT: Nevermind, I change my opinion. It shouldn't be.
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In slow motion, probably not. But it didn't lose the game for the Lions or cost Suh any time/money, so who really cares.
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In slow motion, probably not. But it didn't lose the game for the Lions or cost Suh any time/money, so who really cares.
I think it had a huge impact on the game.
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With the current pussification of the NFL, yes
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...no how would it be
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If that had been Forte it wouldn't have been called.
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I think it had a huge impact on the game.
Instead of 2nd and 2 from the 14, it was 1st and 10 from the 7. The Bears scored on the next play with a pass to a wide open TE.

Oh wait, it changed momentum somehow and sucked all the life out of the Lions. Because the Lions were really stopping the Bears on that drive, and if it was 2nd and 2, it's very likely the Bears would have not gotten a first or scored, because they were only averaging 4 ypc and 11 yards/completion on the day.

Please explain how this had a huge impact on the game.
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I know it's tough to call the new rules "weak" or whatever, but the NFL just can't ignore what being learned about the effects of head trauma. It's easy to sit in a chair and act as if it's no big deal, but there are people who actually have to deal with the consequences for their entire lives. And the game is not slowing down. It's only a matter of time until someone dies on the field during a game if they don't take action.
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No. That's a garbage call. The refs must have been confused and forgot what it means to be in the pocket vs. out as a runner.
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Nope. Crap call if they did flag that.
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Instead of 2nd and 2 from the 14, it was 1st and 10 from the 7. The Bears scored on the next play with a pass to a wide open TE.

Oh wait, it changed momentum somehow and sucked all the life out of the Lions. Because the Lions were really stopping the Bears on that drive, and if it was 2nd and 2, it's very likely the Bears would have not gotten a first or scored, because they were only averaging 4 ypc and 11 yards/completion on the day.

Please explain how this had a huge impact on the game.
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Oh good....another Lions/Bears dilemma.....

He probably shouldn't have thrust his forearm/elbow into the back of his head.

And yeah, if it wasn't a QB it probably wouldn't have been called...but oh well. Bears are 2-0 vs. the Lions this year officially.
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This is all I have to say to you good sir.

Which is indeed awesome. But doesn't change the fact that the Lions had 49 yards in the entire 2nd half and couldn't stop the Bears. The Bears were at least going to tie it up with 9 minutes left, likely stop the Lions and get the ball back with 5-6 minutes left to mount another drive. This play had little impact on the outcome of the game.

And yes, in hindsight, it's a bad call given the replay. But the call made on the field is understandable when you watch it in real time.
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I know it's tough to call the new rules "weak" or whatever, but the NFL just can't ignore what being learned about the effects of head trauma. It's easy to sit in a chair and act as if it's no big deal, but there are people who actually have to deal with the consequences for their entire lives. And the game is not slowing down. It's only a matter of time until someone dies on the field during a game if they don't take action.
And it's real easy to slide if you're a QB and don't want to get destroyed.
It's real easy to cash that six figure check. You know the rules and how to avoid the big hits.
At some point, you have to hold the runner responsible for his own injury.

I work in Nuclear Engineering. I know the risks of radiation. If I go avoiding all the safety measures to avoid exposure, I'm not going to go and ***** about getting cancer. It's my own damn fault.
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no that is not unnecessary roughness.as if the NFL had'nt gone far enough wimpifying the QB ths call is taking to a new level of wussness
It is what it is though. Defenders know that QB's are protected. Was it a dirty hit? No. Was it a penalty? In real time from my view it did, but upon replay I don't think it was near as bad. Hochuli had to make a call based on one view at full speed. It looked pretty vicious from the game camera.

Suh had an opportunity to wrap Jay up and bring him down before he made the hit. He already has this label as being a vicious hitter so that probably didn't play in his favor, along with Jay being a QB.

When a QB has the ball it's a different situation. They are the most protected players in the game. Even outside the pocket in a running scenario they are protected (going down on a slide).

I don't think the call was near as bad as some are making it out to be and in reality it didn't have a huge impact on the game. We were looking at 2nd and 2 from the 13 without the flag. With the flag it was first and goal from the 7. Detroit still had time to put a drive together and get a stop, which they couldn't do.

Now, the Calvin Johnson situation from Week 1? Yeah, they got hosed. Letter of the law or not that was terrible.

The precedent has been set by the league though and officials are watching for these types of plays. They will give the benefit of the doubt to the victim most of the time.
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In now way is this a penalty. The Bears were unquestionably given one game by the NFL this year, and this one is questionable, yet still had an impact. The Bears should send the NFL a fruit basket or something.
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And it's real easy to slide if you're a QB and don't want to get destroyed.
It's real easy to cash that six figure check. You know the rules and how to avoid the big hits.
At some point, you have to hold the runner responsible for his own injury.

I work in Nuclear Engineering. I know the risks of radiation. If I go avoiding all the safety measures to avoid exposure, I'm not going to go and ***** about getting cancer. It's my own damn fault.
Did Jay ***** about the hit? Not that I saw. The only gesture he made was pointing to the ground indicating he was down before the ball came out.
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In now way is this a penalty. The Bears were unquestionably given one game by the NFL this year, and this one is questionable, yet still had an impact. The Bears should send the NFL a fruit basket or something.
But y u mad tho?
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I don't care what Jay said, there was a flag on the play.
You don't slide, you get hit... no flag should be thrown.
Since Jay doesn't throw flags then I obviously wasn't talking about him
Also, I'm not arguing about how big the play was, its effect on the game... nada.
Simply put, it shouldn't be a flag. That's all.
Of course the hit looked viscious... It's a DT hitting a QB... when doesn't that look viscious?
And to say that he should of wrapped up is a garbage arguement too bc as long as the hit was legal, it shouldn't matter if he wrapped up or not
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I agree it was the wrong call but it had little impact on the game. Bears would have at least got a FG, they stopped the Lions with the Moore/Urlacher sack after the big Logan return then had another very long offensive drive after that stop. Different play calls on that last drive if its tied? Possibly but we'll never know even if it would have been tied. Bears controlled clock in second half and stopped the Lions twice with Lions starting in Bears territory. Bears deserved to win. Instead of eating up the clock, they are kicking the GW Field Goal IF they were even held to a field goal on 2 and 2 from the 14.

I'm just glad Lions can compete with the first place division team with a 3rd string QB with a 3rd string QB game plan. Avril stepped up in this game without KVB as did Logan. Lions still have holes(CB,OLB,interior Oline) but there is some talent there too to build on. And Best seemed to return a little bit to the healthy Best form.
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But y u mad tho?
Why would I be mad? I have no rooting interest in the game. This is the best way to argue though.
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