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Old 12-07-2010, 12:46 AM    (permalink
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Did it really matter?

If they don't call it, it's 2nd and 3 from the 13. Instead, it was 1st and goal from the 7.

Not really a huge deal... They essentially got to a 2nd and 7 (better than 2nd and 3) and couldn't stop them (Manu TD).
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Are we really at a point where guys are getting flagged for two-hand touch?
It would appear so, yes.
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Old 12-07-2010, 12:54 AM    (permalink
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In hindsight, it is not a penalty.

Honestly though, I've heard so much "that was a ******** call" and I'm sick of it. Yeah, bad call...but it happened so fast...everyone expects that refs see the game in slow motion.

In real time I think it looks like he was going to destroy Cutlers head, and it looks like he did. Slow motion indicates otherwise, but the refs thought in the 1 second that it happened that it was a forearm to the head. Judgement call. Honestly I thought Suh punched him in the back of the head when I saw it at 1st.

I am starting to feel bad for refs because of all this technology. There is no way that they can make the correct call all the time.

I'm not saying it was the right call, but it all happens so fast that there is bound to be mistakes.
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I don't understand the controversy. It was a bad call, one that cost the Lions 7 yards. These types of calls happen all the time, I'm not sure what makes this one especially noteworthy. I've seen blown holding penalties change the outcomes of games, this call had no real effect.
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I don't understand the controversy. It was a bad call, one that cost the Lions 7 yards. These types of calls happen all the time, I'm not sure what makes this one especially noteworthy. I've seen blown holding penalties change the outcomes of games, this call had no real effect.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:37 AM    (permalink
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I agree with all the other Bear fans :) Plus have you ever seen a hit like this? Have you ever seen a DT hand punch a QBs (or "runners," as you old school, tough guy, real man football lovers are calling him) head into the ground when he's running him down? A simple tackle would not have drawn a penalty. A shoulder thrown into him with all of his might would not have drawn a penalty. We've seen these happen all the time. Big hit on a running QB, defense loves it, QB is peeled off the turf by his O-line and they move on. Suh legitimately hit Jay with an added effort of malice instead of a routine tackle or body-to-body blow (shoulder.) Which is, as you well know, simply defined as "unnecessary roughness."

So, yeah, it is.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:51 AM    (permalink
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I don't understand the controversy. It was a bad call, one that cost the Lions 7 yards. These types of calls happen all the time, I'm not sure what makes this one especially noteworthy. I've seen blown holding penalties change the outcomes of games, this call had no real effect.
It's more that Hochuli has seemingly made up a rule on a call he completely whiffed on. This is something that happens in just about every game, it is a player being pushed to the ground. That is not a flag and never should be flag. If anything he actually has taken the choice that used the "necessary" amount of roughness. His other options are to shoulder charge him into the ground or to tackle and drive him into the ground with all his weight. The choice he took was to push him into the ground.

I guess the real point is if this happened along a sideline, that is the option he should take, the other options could easily draw late hit flags.

He pushed him to the ground, anyone who sees more than that is trying to see more than that and the ref has invented a rule to penalise him with. Then to make it worse, instead of admitting he got it wrong he has further defended it.

Refs make mistakes, they miss facemasks, holdings, the get PI wrong but they generally don't manufacture a rule to punish something because the big mean DT caught the precious QB after he decided to run with it and not slide to protect himself.

I don't care about the result or the situation of the game, none of that matters, what I care about is that a ref can make a call this bad, then defend it with no repercussions from the league or that the league has stayed so quite on it for that matter. It also is the worst bad call of the season which is another reason that people are so outraged, it falls in line with a whole philosophy the league has adapted this year that many fans do not agree with and it takes it to a laughable and embarrassing stage.

That's just my take though... I wouldn't care who was doing this to who it's the disgusting call that I am outraged by.
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I ******* hate the nfl. he pushed the qb down. **** this im done with the nfl. And to you 9 ******* who voted yes go scrub out your vagina with bleach
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As far as I'm concerned the NFL already gave QB's as much aid as they need with the ability to slide when they're on the move. If you run and you don't slide, you're going to be hit. Suh shoved the crap out of Cutler, but that's the sport.

I'm all for safety, but this is just sort of stupid.
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Brett Favre got annihilated on his first pass the same day. No call. Hit them right, don't get fined. Tough guy football lovers are quickly turning into whiny littles bitches.
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The irony being that it was the same kind of hit as Harrison got fined for against Brees only he hit him far harder and with intent. Fact is that from every rule I've ever read at every level that Suh hit was perfectly legal, probably why people are so put off by it being flagged.
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**** no! He's a ball carrier. It's a ****** tackle, but not un-necessary roughness.

I do think the NFL needs to get defenders to make better tackles (because that will cut down on injuries ASAP), but that's completely legal in my opinion.
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I'm wondering if half of you saw this game speed...

This obviously is not the right call, but that is after it is:
a) slowed down
b) given at a different angle

The fact that there is 3 pages about how "THE NFL IS TAKING AWAY FOOTBALL" is rediculous.

Maybe it's cause I saw the hit @real time when it happened that I have a different opinion. Still not the right call, but I can definitely see why it was made.

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Why do Bear fans feel the need to justify this call? To make your win look less terrible?
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tell me why our argument is false? we are saying that if we look at it afterwards it isnt a flag but with it being a judgement call in the fast pace, it certainly can be called like that. i mean those refs didnt stand above them and saw that angle but either saw him from behind throw his arm or in front of him
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tell me why our argument is false? we are saying that if we look at it afterwards it isnt a flag but with it being a judgement call in the fast pace, it certainly can be called like that. i mean those refs didnt stand above them and saw that angle but either saw him from behind throw his arm or in front of him
A wrong call is a wrong call which I think is the point. Who cares if the refs were just too slow to get it right and therefore it is "understandable"? It was a BS call that they wouldn't have made if it had been a RB. It really doesn't have that much to do with the Bears anyway, more of an indictment on the refs and the wimps running the league.
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Most Bears fans on here have admitted it was the wrong call, and are just saying that even on TV in real time we all thought it was much worse than it was, so you can imagine what the refs saw on the field. It was the wrong call, but had little impact on the outcome of the game.

Stop trying to pick fights where there aren't ones. The majority of Bears fans have admitted to getting lucky in week 1 when we should have lost, and have said (at least on here) that it was a bad call. What more do you want? Do you need someone to come give you a reach around too? Get over it already, jesus.
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I'd say because Lions fans are doing nothing but whining over a meaningless seven yards, and no one else saw the play live and are basing their opinions off the slow motion gif on the first page. Bears fans are the only other ones that saw the play live and are calling it what it is - a bad call, but one that was easy to get wrong at full speed.
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In real time I could see it looking like a penalty but its still not the right call. I'll say it again, each team should get 2 penalty challenges a game from an independent head ref in the home office to avoid crap like this. Game changing penalties could be mitigated.

A ref will never admit they are wrong especially only a few minutes later.
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Of course it's not unnecessary roughness.

However, in real-time on TV it looked exactly like he forearmed him to the back of the head. It's hard to blame the refs for the call. They don't get to watch slow motion close-ups before they throw a flag.
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Cuntler is lucky as hell.

Suh should & could have just jumped on him there, which would have resulted in the 320-pound gilath smashing Cutler into the turf, on his throwing shoulder.

It would have ended Cutler's season, and would have been fitting since the Bears Peppers busted Stafford's shoulder in week 1.
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Of course it's not unnecessary roughness.

However, in real-time on TV it looked exactly like he forearmed him to the back of the head. It's hard to blame the refs for the call. They don't get to watch slow motion close-ups before they throw a flag.
Right, so instead of missing something, they guessed. They assumed.
What did our teachers always teach us about assume, when we were in middle school?
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Ok then, I officially love that everyone hates this call. A big HAHA to the rest of the division for crying over it.

The explanation of the call was wrong due to watching it live. The intent was unnecessary roughness. Which, like the week 1 no catch rule, existed before Sunday.
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Cuntler is lucky as hell.

Suh should & could have just jumped on him there, which would have resulted in the 320-pound gilath smashing Cutler into the turf, on his throwing shoulder.

It would have ended Cutler's season, and would have been fitting since the Bears Peppers busted Stafford's shoulder in week 1.
Yeah. Cutler's definitely never been crushed by a lineman before. All of the sacks he's taken have totally been of the candy-ass variety. Mmhmm.

If any QB in the NFL has proven that he can take an ass-kicking and get back up, he's the guy. Well, he and David Carr.

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Right, so instead of missing something, they guessed. They assumed.
What did our teachers always teach us about assume, when we were in middle school?
Like I said...In real-time, it appeared to be a forearm to the back of the head. What you're saying here is just stupid. You're basically saying that no call should ever be made on a football field without viewing slowed-down footage from every angle first.

Seriously, now. We already know that you're the biggest Bears hater on the board. You can shut up for a while. Wait until there's something to bad-mouth them for. You just look dumb when you say things like your last two posts. You're reaching and it's pathetic.
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