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Old 12-07-2010, 12:47 PM    (permalink
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A wrong call is a wrong call which I think is the point. Who cares if the refs were just too slow to get it right and therefore it is "understandable"? It was a BS call that they wouldn't have made if it had been a RB. It really doesn't have that much to do with the Bears anyway, more of an indictment on the refs and the wimps running the league.
but do i pull out a wrong holding call or PI call every week and tell you how ****** up that is? i mean not even the call in the Pits Mia game gathered that much noise. This was a call for 8 yards and hardly mattered in the game
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It was the wrong call, and it's unfortunate it went against the Lions. Thats a scrappy team that I really like who just can't catch a break. Seems their entire season has been defined by the refs messing up that Calvin call in Week 1, which was just so insanely wrong and brutal that I sympathize with Lions fans everywhere.

I do understand that the refs have to call the game as they see it, and that they don't have slow motion replays when calling penalties, but it has gotten to the point where hitting the QB in any sense is a risky endeavor both for your team and your wallet.
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Cuntler is lucky as hell.

Suh should & could have just jumped on him there, which would have resulted in the 320-pound gilath smashing Cutler into the turf, on his throwing shoulder.

It would have ended Cutler's season, and would have been fitting since the Bears Peppers busted Stafford's shoulder in week 1.
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Who's that? All the Bears fans that were calling for Lovie Smith to be fired before this season?
Yes, yes. Lovie still sucks and the team is winning in spite of him rather than because of him. We know. Who cares? After all...

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Old 12-07-2010, 08:35 PM    (permalink
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Yes Lovie still sucks, but apparently the players love him
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Who's that? All the Bears fans that were calling for Lovie Smith to be fired before this season?
It's the Packers fans who made excuses Mid-season from the slough of injuries. Duh.
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Holy **** people are STILL talking about this?

THEY GOT EIGHT ******* YARDS!!!! YOU'RE ARGUING OVER EIGHT YARDS!!
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The NFL might as well put flags around the QB's waist because they clearly are not allowed to be hit.
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It's the Packers fans who made excuses Mid-season from the slough of injuries. Duh.
Yeah right, as if all these injuries weren't and aren't a factor.
This coming from the team who lost one main man last year, Urlacher, and then used that as an excuse for the whole **** season being ****. One guy.
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Yes, yes. Lovie still sucks and the team is winning in spite of him rather than because of him. We know. Who cares? After all...

Good thing no trophies are awarded in the first week of December right?
So Lovie gets all the blame for when they lose.
But when they win, it's despite him?

OK. Got it. Sometimes, coaching is a factor. But not always.
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Yes Lovie still sucks, but apparently the players love him
Of course they do.
He's a big teddy bear. Named LOVEY.
He's a players coach.
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This coming from the team who lost one main man last year, Urlacher, and then used that as an excuse for the whole **** season being ****. One guy.
Most of the guys you lost were role players at best. Uralcher is arguably more important than all of them combined.

I'm not saying I would use that as an excuse either, but the Packers injury list is becoming pretty comical at this point.
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but do i pull out a wrong holding call or PI call every week and tell you how ****** up that is? i mean not even the call in the Pits Mia game gathered that much noise. This was a call for 8 yards and hardly mattered in the game
To me it doesn't matter how many yards or how much it did or didn't matter. Maybe Detroit fans do care about that. My problem with the call has nothing to do with the Bears. My problem, and I thought the OP's problem, is that it was a pansy call because refs are scared of letting QBs get hit. Even when they've tucked the ball and are running for yardage. QBs wear pads too.

And regardless of what you do personally, yes, people ***** about calls every week. Sometimes they were important and sometimes they weren't.
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To me it doesn't matter how many yards or how much it did or didn't matter. Maybe Detroit fans do care about that. My problem with the call has nothing to do with the Bears. My problem, and I thought the OP's problem, is that it was a pansy call because refs are scared of letting QBs get hit. Even when they've tucked the ball and are running for yardage. QBs wear pads too.

And regardless of what you do personally, yes, people ***** about calls every week. Sometimes they were important and sometimes they weren't.
This is what Andy Reid was pretty much trying to say before his words got twisted around: there is an incredible disparity and glaring inconsistencies in calls concerning quarterbacks. There's no rhyme or reason to it at all.
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Most of the guys you lost were role players at best. Uralcher is arguably more important than all of them combined.

I'm not saying I would use that as an excuse either, but the Packers injury list is becoming pretty comical at this point.
Grant and Finley were pretty huge blows. And Barnett is almost as important as Urlacher to that Packers defense. And the Packers unlike the Bears are still winning.

Urlacher is very important but other people on the Bears D didn't step up like the Packers D has been doing and Cutler played like **** last year with Turner being a crap OC.

Bears and Packers are legit playoffs teams. Far from over though even for Division champ and we'll see who goes on a deep playoff run.

If we're pinning things on one important player, how about losing a QB. Stafford will be back next year, hopefully healthy and then you're all going to pay. Muahahaha, just kidding but the Lions will fix their holes and Stafford has to prove he can stay healthy. But we all won't believe it until we see it.
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Grant and Finley were pretty huge blows. And Barnett is almost as important as Urlacher to that Packers defense. And the Packers unlike the Bears are still winning.
Nick Barnett is almost important to the Packers as Brian Urlacher is to the Bears? Provide any evidence for this.
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I made it two and a half pages before my head started hurting.

If you haven't seen the play at full speed, do it. It changes everything. Refs don't have the luxury of watching everything slowed down. But hey, continue talking about stuff you have no idea about if that makes you happy.

The way the play looked at full speed, Suh punched him in the back of the head. That's a penalty whether it's Cutler, Forte, or a punter. I guess this NFL is too pussified for all you bunny punchers out there. Sure, when you slow it down, it appears the punch came lower, in his upper back. So the answer to the question is yes, and no. Yes it was the proper call on the field. You see someone get punched in the back of the head, you throw a flag. No, because on replay it turns out NDonkeyKong just has the strength of 10 men.
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I made it two and a half pages before my head started hurting.

If you haven't seen the play at full speed, do it. It changes everything. Refs don't have the luxury of watching everything slowed down. But hey, continue talking about stuff you have no idea about if that makes you happy.

The way the play looked at full speed, Suh punched him in the back of the head. That's a penalty whether it's Cutler, Forte, or a punter. I guess this NFL is too pussified for all you bunny punchers out there. Sure, when you slow it down, it appears the punch came lower, in his upper back. So the answer to the question is yes, and no. Yes it was the proper call on the field. You see someone get punched in the back of the head, you throw a flag. No, because on replay it turns out NDonkeyKong just has the strength of 10 men.
WTF do people care about whether or not it seems reasonable that the ref missed the call? Does that make it acceptable to get a call wrong? And why are you so certain that at full speed it looks like he punches Cutler? All any of us have access to is a few camera angles, not the angle(s) that the refs (who are down there actually on the field) had. It is their job to get calls right and if they are too far away to make the right call then they shouldn't make the call based on a guess. But they feel pressured to, because of the league's emphasis on QB safety.

We will have to agree to disagree on what they would've done if it had been Forte. I think the fact that it was Cutler is the reason they blew the whistle.
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And it's real easy to slide if you're a QB and don't want to get destroyed.
It's real easy to cash that six figure check. You know the rules and how to avoid the big hits.
At some point, you have to hold the runner responsible for his own injury.

I work in Nuclear Engineering. I know the risks of radiation. If I go avoiding all the safety measures to avoid exposure, I'm not going to go and ***** about getting cancer. It's my own damn fault.
Your example only works to an extent. Having a brother who is a nuclear engineer and I'm sure you can back me on this, nuclear plants have ridiculously strong policies in place to prevent radiation. The NFL comparably, HASN'T had plans of similar strength in place, particularly in light of recent research into head trauma and the rise in former players with SEVERE problems because of it. Ignoring strict safety precautions is relatively dissimilar from playing within the potentially inadequate precautions of the NFL. Saying Cutler should have slid there is a little tough considering Suh was coming from behind him anyway. I'm not saying that the NFL doesn't sometime goes to far with the way they call it on QBs cuz they do but overall I don't see how people can argue against increased precautions regarding head trauma issues.
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WTF do people care about whether or not it seems reasonable that the ref missed the call? Does that make it acceptable to get a call wrong? And why are you so certain that at full speed it looks like he punches Cutler? All any of us have access to is a few camera angles, not the angle(s) that the refs (who are down there actually on the field) had. It is their job to get calls right and if they are too far away to make the right call then they shouldn't make the call based on a guess. But they feel pressured to, because of the league's emphasis on QB safety.

We will have to agree to disagree on what they would've done if it had been Forte. I think the fact that it was Cutler is the reason they blew the whistle.
1 - Yes.

2 - Because it definitely does.

3 - Good. QB safety should be important.


It was a missed call for eight yards (on first down). I completely understand getting upset over the Calvin catch call, or if this was on 3rd and 10, but I don't get why this is a big deal.

Officials should emphasize safety. Concussions are extremely dangerous and can ruin lives. That doesn't mean this individual bad call or any other individual bad call is OK, but it's definitely reasonable to trade some human-error bad calls for preserving the safety of the players.

If it negatively impacts your team, you can ***** about that individual play, but if you are against an emphasis on safety then you lack sensibility and compassion. These are human beings.

But again, this call didn't even negatively impact the Lions. It actually arguably helped their defense (2nd and 3 from the 13 is arguably scarier than 1st and goal from the 7).
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a phantom holding call has more ******* impact on the game than this ******* penalty and i dont see people ******* about those kind of things.

Just pulling out the "if someone would punch another guy in the head he wouldnt get the flag" is comical. when have you ever seen a tackle like this? ever? its ******* obvious that they call such an unnecessary tackle which looks 100% like a hit to the head in real time, on anyone.
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If a QB tucks the ball and runs, he should not receive extra care and consideration from the refs. Regardless of what you guys think you saw in real time, Suh didn't punch anybody in the back of the head. It was a bad call. And as much as you'd like to somehow prove your opinion you can't. Your opinion is that it is reasonable for the refs to miss that call. The majority here disagrees with you. What else is there to say?

GOW you are arguing your point by yourself. I don't care what does or doesn't have an impact on and individual game. The game overall is negatively impacted by overrprotection of QBs. And when have I seen a tackle like that? He shoved down the guy running the ball. That happens every Sunday. It isn't rare.
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If a QB tucks the ball and runs, he should not receive extra care and consideration from the refs. Regardless of what you guys think you saw in real time, Suh didn't punch anybody in the back of the head. It was a bad call. And as much as you'd like to somehow prove your opinion you can't. Your opinion is that it is reasonable for the refs to miss that call. The majority here disagrees with you. What else is there to say?

GOW you are arguing your point by yourself. I don't care what does or doesn't have an impact on and individual game. The game overall is negatively impacted by overrprotection of QBs. And when have I seen a tackle like that? He shoved down the guy running the ball. That happens every Sunday. It isn't rare.
Please prove your point that this wouldnt be called against someone else. Please. go ahead. You can't. Just like i can't it wouldnt be called. So why bring it up? Its just an idiotic assumption that comes to prove your point. Where exactly is he getting extra care here?

Also i couldnt give care less what the majority thinks. Just because the majority thinks its true, it is not automatically true. The majority of people in germany thought hitler was great, back in the middle ages, the majority though the world was flat. how is that backing up anything?

How is it that hard to understand that looking back at this from multiple angles and in slow mo it wasnt a flag but in real time, where the decision is made without slow mo and without different angles, it certainly does look like a throw to the head? How isnt it important how it looks in real time? They call the penalties in real time. thats what the refs are for. Did you see a fine for Suh? No?

You guys are all crying about the ******* new policies. It is ******* insane. Those kind of penalties where here last year just as much as this year and the year before.

also please show me a video of a tackle like this. not just shoving but hitting your elbow to the back and then extending your arm.
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If a QB tucks the ball and runs, he should not receive extra care and consideration from the refs.
He didn't. ANY player who appeared to have gotten punched in the head would have drawn a flag. To claim otherwise is just unbelievably stupid.

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Regardless of what you guys think you saw in real time, Suh didn't punch anybody in the back of the head.
No, but it sure as hell looked exactly like he did. If you watched the real-time video of the hit and claim to have not seen that, you're just a liar. Hell, the very first response in this thread is someone who thought it may be a punch to the head when he saw the slow mo clip!

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It was a bad call.
Yes, but 100% understandable.

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And as much as you'd like to somehow prove your opinion you can't. Your opinion is that it is reasonable for the refs to miss that call.
If it looks like a punch to the head, it should be called EVERY time.

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The majority here disagrees with you. What else is there to say?
The majority of people here are idiots on a message board who have only seen a slowed down, zoomed in clip of it. Naturally, that makes them better officials than the guys down on the field.

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GOW you are arguing your point by yourself. I don't care what does or doesn't have an impact on and individual game. The game overall is negatively impacted by overrprotection of QBs.
Flagging what appears to be a punch in the head is not overprotection of QBs. You're bothcing about this just to be contrarian.

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And when have I seen a tackle like that? He shoved down the guy running the ball. That happens every Sunday. It isn't rare.
You've seen tackles that look exactly like punches to the head every Sunday? Lie.
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