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Pro Bowl voting is clearly an indicator of how well you are playing in a given year
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Whats a bigger shame is Mesko is only 4th for punters. That should be the topic of this thread.
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Whats a bigger shame is Mesko is only 4th for punters. That should be the topic of this thread.
Shane Lechler is the official AFC Pro Bowl Punter.
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Reggie Hodges should automatically be in the pro bowl. That run was the sweetest thing a punter has done since Brian Moorman got obliterated by Sean Taylor.
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Matt Dodge should get the sympathy vote for the Pro Bowl. His season could fill an NFL Films "Follies" video.
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Reggie Hodges should automatically be in the pro bowl. That run was the sweetest thing a punter has done since Brian Moorman got obliterated by Sean Taylor.
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3. He's black. Time to send this punter to the pro bowl! Vote!

I plan to vote for him many a times.
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I know Ill just get accused of being a "hater" on the Jets for this but what about Steve Weatherford? Going on the field only knowing the down but not the distance and trying a fake run on 4th and 18. That was too cute.
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Whats disgusting is that people love vick now because he learned to pass in jail.

I dont care that he "paid his debt" If you do that **** you are a terrible person, simple as that and its a disgrace that he is still in the league.



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Prepare to get flamed. You could probably nickname this site the Vick fan club.

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WTf dude, weve all seen that ******* picture. Why do you have to post it, without spoiler tags even. Just because Vick did a terrible thing doesn't have anything to do with the way he plays football, or does it represent the person he is today. Everyone makes mistakes, he went to jail and paid for his mistakes and fought hard to get back t where he is. I'm not even a Vick fan or supporter but some people with this **** are ridiculous. Get that picture out of here.
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WTf dude, weve all seen that ******* picture. Why do you have to post it, without spoiler tags even. Just because Vick did a terrible thing doesn't have anything to do with the way he plays football, or does it represent the person he is today. Everyone makes mistakes, he went to jail and paid for his mistakes and fought hard to get back t where he is. I'm not even a Vick fan or supporter but some people with this **** are ridiculous. Get that picture out of here.
A mistake is spilling a glass of juice. Running a ******* dog fighting ring for 2 years while torturing, strangling, electrocuting and drowning dogs with a smile on your face laughing about it is NOT A ******* MISTAKE. Hes a terrible human being and 2 years in a cozy jail cell doesnt change that.
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The question becomes whether Vick is genuinely sorry or he's just trying to save face.

I'm more inclined to believe he's genuinely sorry, but for the sole fact that he got caught and had to serve a tough sentence.

Anyway, I hated Vick long before the dogfighting ring - but that's a different story entirely. This just added fuel to the fire.
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A mistake is spilling a glass of juice. Running a ******* dog fighting ring for 2 years while torturing, strangling, electrocuting and drowning dogs with a smile on your face laughing about it is NOT A ******* MISTAKE. Hes a terrible human being and 2 years in a cozy jail cell doesnt change that.
It doesnt change what he did, that doesnt mean it didnt change who we was. If this were your child are you going to sit here and tell me hes a terrible person even if he changed after and realized what he did was wrong? People have done far worse then Vick, Donte Stallworth killed a guy, are you going to post a picture of the guy he hit and tell me what a terrible person he is?
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It doesnt change what he did, that doesnt mean it didnt change who we was. If this were your child are you going to sit here and tell me hes a terrible person even if he changed after and realized what he did was wrong? People have done far worse then Vick, Donte Stallworth killed a guy, are you going to post a picture of the guy he hit and tell me what a terrible person he is?
Key difference is while Stallworth's actions were reckless, they weren't intentional.
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It doesnt change what he did, that doesnt mean it didnt change who we was. If this were your child are you going to sit here and tell me hes a terrible person even if he changed after and realized what he did was wrong? People have done far worse then Vick, Donte Stallworth killed a guy, are you going to post a picture of the guy he hit and tell me what a terrible person he is?
Vick isnt changed at all dont buy that ****. He got out of jail bankrupt and said he was sorry so he could make millions again.

Stallworth was drunk and killed a guy and only went to jail for 30 days, thats messed up too.
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Key difference is while Stallworth's actions were reckless, they weren't intentional.
He got drunk and then decided to drive a ******* car. That alone is intentional enough for me, you don't drink and drive, you put everyone else in danger and he killed a man.
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He got drunk and then decided to drive a ******* car. That alone is intentional enough for me, you don't drink and drive, you put everyone else in danger and he killed a man.
You're not going to get much of an argument from me. It was laughable that Stallworth only got thirty days. His NFL pedigree helped him there. Were roles reversed and that poor guy ran over Stallworth, there'd be significantly bigger consequences. Just the way it works sometimes.
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He got drunk and then decided to drive a ******* car. That alone is intentional enough for me, you don't drink and drive, you put everyone else in danger and he killed a man.
Im not defending stallworth just refuting your argument:

So one night of incredible stupidness isnt a mistake, but killing and torturing dogs for 2 years is. K got it
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Vick isnt changed at all dont buy that ****. He got out of jail bankrupt and said he was sorry so he could make millions again.

Stallworth was drunk and killed a guy and only went to jail for 30 days, thats messed up too.
It's tough for either of us to say he has changed, or hasn't changed because neither of us know him. I'm making my statements assuming he's changed because his actions thus far show hes not the same guy he was before, hes behaving has the support of highly respectable people ( is Dungy really going to support a guy who is still a bad person?). You dislike him which is why your assuming he hasn't changed. Neither of us know, but I'm not going to sit here and say he's just bsing because thats the only thing we have as evidence as fans. I'm glad you agree on the second part, and I wasnt saying what Stallworth did wasn't a mistake, I dont know how you thought I was saying that. I brought it up because your talking about Vick harming animals but no one is mentioning any other player in the league that has gotten drunk and harmed another person. It's stupid.
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It's tough for either of us to say he has changed, or hasn't changed because neither of us know him. I'm making my statements assuming he's changed because his actions thus far show hes not the same guy he was before, hes behaving has the support of highly respectable people ( is Dungy really going to support a guy who is still a bad person?). You dislike him which is why your assuming he hasn't changed. Neither of us know, but I'm not going to sit here and say he's just bsing because thats the only thing we have as evidence as fans. I'm glad you agree on the second part, and I wasnt saying what Stallworth did wasn't a mistake, I dont know how you thought I was saying that. I brought it up because your talking about Vick harming animals but no one is mentioning any other player in the league that has gotten drunk and harmed another person. It's stupid.
Yea there really isnt any way to know if he has "changed" but I just dont buy that someone that can do that do so many innocent dogs will all of a sudden realize its wrong because other people say it is. He obviously realizes its unnacceptable socially but i doubt he understands it morally.

For stallworth I definitely think he got off way to easy, same as leonard little. Duis are taken way to lightly in the league and even when they kill people they still get a slap on the wrist. Stupid.
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For stallworth I definitely think he got off way to easy, same as leonard little. Duis are taken way to lightly in the league and even when they kill people they still get a slap on the wrist. Stupid.
Hilarious how the league is cracking down on hits in favor of player safety, and giving CAKE punishments for DUI's that put people's lives at risk. I'm pretty sure the fines are worse for some of these hits than players who drive drunk.
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Yea there really isnt any way to know if he has "changed" but I just dont buy that someone that can do that do so many innocent dogs will all of a sudden realize its wrong because other people say it is. He obviously realizes its unnacceptable socially but i doubt he understands it morally.

For stallworth I definitely think he got off way to easy, same as leonard little. Duis are taken way to lightly in the league and even when they kill people they still get a slap on the wrist. Stupid.
And I just see it as his entire reputation was destroyed and he literally had to get everything ripped away from him, it wasn't just people saying you did a no no, he lost everything for awhile there. He had to beg courts to go bankrupt and to try and get back to the NFL. Then he had to work his way up to where he was, and at the end of the day, he's playing better then he ever was and it wasn't easy. I mean I love dogs more then anything, i feel worse when I see an animal abused then when I see a person, but I just think that he deserves a second chance just like anyone else does. And right now he's doing the most with his second chance as he can. So before I judge him and assume he's still a bad person, I'll wait and see, because right now he's doing everything right.
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And I just see it as his entire reputation was destroyed and he literally had to get everything ripped away from him, it wasn't just people saying you did a no no, he lost everything for awhile there. He had to beg courts to go bankrupt and to try and get back to the NFL. Then he had to work his way up to where he was, and at the end of the day, he's playing better then he ever was and it wasn't easy. I mean I love dogs more then anything, i feel worse when I see an animal abused then when I see a person, but I just think that he deserves a second chance just like anyone else does. And right now he's doing the most with his second chance as he can. So before I judge him and assume he's still a bad person, I'll wait and see, because right now he's doing everything right.
Even if he wasnt changed he would still be acting the same. His only real route to get his life back together was to get back into the nfl so he did what he had to do to play again. Anyone in his situation would and could do that, no matter if they were changed or not, and I am not going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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