Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > Pro Football

Pro Football Discuss professional football.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-10-2010, 01:03 AM    (permalink
bigbuc
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,808
Reputation: 149524
bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbuc is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default Is it time for the Colts to change the way they do things?

Should the Colts take a page from the Pats book? For example, not paying Riggie Wayne and going young at WR and using more two TE sets with Tamme and Clark. Using that money to help out the O line and the defense. Having a better all around team for Manning. I see everyone always saying that Manning has had great skill guys around him. Which he has, but while saying that you could also say that he's had some of the most lop sided teams I've ever seen... Teams that can't run the ball, can't stop the run. Some that can't stop the pass or can't block and make Manning get ride of the ball quickly. Would it be best for them to break the mold that they've been using ( Let Manning get you up and have your all world DE's get after the QB when the other team has to pass ) and build a all around better team for Manning? Some will say that there's no way the Colts will be better without Wayne ( Example ) but you could've said the same thing about the Pats with Moss. I know the Colts have won a lot of games with the way they've been doing things for years and some will say if it aint broke than don't fix it. I'm not saying there broke, but not being broke doesn't mean that still can change for the better. What do you guys think?
bigbuc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 02:39 AM    (permalink
AntoinCD
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boxscorescouting.com
Posts: 5,836
Reputation: 1685895
AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I understand the concept and the logic behind it however Peyton Manning has at most one five year contract left. Generally to have a complete overhaul for a team you are talking about 2-3 years minimum. I'm not sure Manning would be happy if the Colts decided to rebuild around him in the last few years of his career.
__________________


BoneKrusher killing it with the sig
AntoinCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 04:00 AM    (permalink
tuan33
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 133
Reputation: 1074
tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.
Default

Eh, the problem really isn't where the money is tied up. It's that they've been terrible at drafting the last few drafts and it's finally catching up to them. It isn't like they've had really talented people leave because they couldn't pay their salaries. I mean other than a few lbers which they slotted 3rd or 4th round picks into and they've performed at a similar level, I can't for the life of me remember them letting anyone go that was influential to their team other than ryan diem.

Every year people say the same thing about the colts, they need a DT or a OL but they keep drafting skill position players like Donald Brown, who is getting out performed by every Rb on the colt's team, or Gonzales, who can't stay healthy for more than half a season. I feel like if they would have invested some higher round draft picks on players like T. Cody or some bigger bodies, it'd really shore up their run D.
tuan33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 04:21 AM    (permalink
AntoinCD
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boxscorescouting.com
Posts: 5,836
Reputation: 1685895
AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuan33 View Post
Eh, the problem really isn't where the money is tied up. It's that they've been terrible at drafting the last few drafts and it's finally catching up to them. It isn't like they've had really talented people leave because they couldn't pay their salaries. I mean other than a few lbers which they slotted 3rd or 4th round picks into and they've performed at a similar level, I can't for the life of me remember them letting anyone go that was influential to their team other than ryan diem.

Every year people say the same thing about the colts, they need a DT or a OL but they keep drafting skill position players like Donald Brown, who is getting out performed by every Rb on the colt's team, or Gonzales, who can't stay healthy for more than half a season. I feel like if they would have invested some higher round draft picks on players like T. Cody or some bigger bodies, it'd really shore up their run D.
I don't know. Rightly or wrongly the Colts defense is based on speed and stopping teams scoring quickly. Their philosophy seems to be that they can stop teams from scoring TDs in the red area and believe Manning and the offense will outscore other teams, thus allowing their defense to play the pass. This is why Freeney and Mathis are so successful. The main problem this year is the offense is not as successful and due to turnovers the defense is put in bad situations too often. It was only a few years ago they broke an NFL record for least amount of TD passes in a season and they would bet that despite losing the time of possession battle they will still score more than opposing offenses. Adding someone like Cody doesn't fit their style. Fili Moala should've been a good pick, it's just unfortunate for them he hasn't been the impact player they had hoped for yet
__________________


BoneKrusher killing it with the sig
AntoinCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 04:43 AM    (permalink
Razor
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Odense, Denmark
Posts: 3,459
Reputation: 771143
Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Razor is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I've been arguing for a while that that the Colts should start doing things another way. It's clear that while Manning is a great, HoF QB, he can't win with this team. The Colts have the worst pair of starting defensive tackles in the NFL. The defense is lacking talent at every position besides DE. Their offense (when healthy) is lacking talent on the OL, which is significant. If I were Polian I'd go:

1. Stephen Paea
2. BPA OL
3. Jurrell Casey

in the next draft. Without the ability to stop the run or to run the ball this team is going nowhere. The league has figured out Peyton Manning I think. You can't win games by throwing the ball 45+ times per game, it's just not how it works (not even with Peyton Manning!). I too think that Manning only has another 5 or so years in him simply due to the fact, that he's thrown the ball so many times. I haven't checked the numbers, but I'm pretty sure he has more attempt per game than most QBs in the history of the NFL.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectricEye View Post
I'm a whiny little kunt. Feel sorry for me as I go masturbate to a picture of my mom dressed as a teletubby.
Razor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 06:05 AM    (permalink
tuan33
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 133
Reputation: 1074
tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AntoinCD View Post
I don't know. Rightly or wrongly the Colts defense is based on speed and stopping teams scoring quickly. Their philosophy seems to be that they can stop teams from scoring TDs in the red area and believe Manning and the offense will outscore other teams, thus allowing their defense to play the pass. This is why Freeney and Mathis are so successful. The main problem this year is the offense is not as successful and due to turnovers the defense is put in bad situations too often. It was only a few years ago they broke an NFL record for least amount of TD passes in a season and they would bet that despite losing the time of possession battle they will still score more than opposing offenses. Adding someone like Cody doesn't fit their style. Fili Moala should've been a good pick, it's just unfortunate for them he hasn't been the impact player they had hoped for yet
The big difference this year is the defense to tell you the truth. They've scored the more points per game this year than last year. The big difference is that the defense is giving up about 5 more points per game than last year. I didn't think it was possible but this year's run defense is even worst than last years. Teams just reply to the colts scoring by running the ball down their throats. I know Cody doesn't fit their style but why not try something new? Give up the little pressure you generate with these smaller DTs and just get a monster lane clogger and see if anything better happens.
tuan33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 08:29 AM    (permalink
AntoinCD
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boxscorescouting.com
Posts: 5,836
Reputation: 1685895
AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuan33 View Post
The big difference this year is the defense to tell you the truth. They've scored the more points per game this year than last year. The big difference is that the defense is giving up about 5 more points per game than last year. I didn't think it was possible but this year's run defense is even worst than last years. Teams just reply to the colts scoring by running the ball down their throats. I know Cody doesn't fit their style but why not try something new? Give up the little pressure you generate with these smaller DTs and just get a monster lane clogger and see if anything better happens.
Yeah I agree and it's definitely the way I would go. I don't agree with the Colts philosophy, even when their defense was good, because if injuries happen or Manning's play dips then problems can happen
__________________


BoneKrusher killing it with the sig
AntoinCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:13 AM    (permalink
Seamus2602
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Belfast, Ireland
Posts: 840
Reputation: 85004
Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuan33 View Post
Give up the little pressure you generate with these smaller DTs and just get a monster lane clogger and see if anything better happens.
The Colts three main Defensive Tackles (Moala, Muir and Mookie Johnson) are all over 300 lbs. You can argue about the talent levels on the D-line but this whole undersized crap is nonsense. The Colts run defense has been worse this year compared to last year. There are numerous reasons behind that. Before laying the blame squarely on the Defensive Tackles remember that the Colts haven't had a single game with all 3 of their starting Linebackers playing. Clint Session, the team's best tackler, has missed 8 games. Gary Brackett has missed 4 games. Session's backup, Kavell Conner, has missed 4 games (the majority while Session was missing as well). As a defensive system the Tampa 2 requires the Safeties to help in run support. Well the Colts are onto their 4th string Strong Safety.

There are many reasons the Colts are soft against the run this year and the whole undersized Defensive Tackles crap isn't one of them.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin

In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.
Seamus2602 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:22 AM    (permalink
AntoinCD
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boxscorescouting.com
Posts: 5,836
Reputation: 1685895
AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus2602 View Post
The Colts three main Defensive Tackles (Moala, Muir and Mookie Johnson) are all over 300 lbs. You can argue about the talent levels on the D-line but this whole undersized crap is nonsense. The Colts run defense has been worse this year compared to last year. There are numerous reasons behind that. Before laying the blame squarely on the Defensive Tackles remember that the Colts haven't had a single game with all 3 of their starting Linebackers playing. Clint Session, the team's best tackler, has missed 8 games. Gary Brackett has missed 4 games. Session's backup, Kavell Conner, has missed 4 games (the majority while Session was missing as well). As a defensive system the Tampa 2 requires the Safeties to help in run support. Well the Colts are onto their 4th string Strong Safety.

There are many reasons the Colts are soft against the run this year and the whole undersized Defensive Tackles crap isn't one of them.
Lol you are an angry young man today. All 3 DTs are over 300lbs but that's not big for a DT. In comparison, the Patriots have one defensive lineman(DEs and DTs) under 300lbs and that's Mike Wright who is a pass rush specialist. The Colts have a smaller than average front. I understand the linebackers and safetys havent been healthy or played well enough and this is affecting the run defense, but the DTs are not the most stout DTs in the league either.
__________________


BoneKrusher killing it with the sig
AntoinCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:26 AM    (permalink
Seamus2602
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Belfast, Ireland
Posts: 840
Reputation: 85004
Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AntoinCD View Post
Lol you are an angry young man today. All 3 DTs are over 300lbs but that's not big for a DT. In comparison, the Patriots have one defensive lineman(DEs and DTs) under 300lbs and that's Mike Wright who is a pass rush specialist. The Colts have a smaller than average front. I understand the linebackers and safetys havent been healthy or played well enough and this is affecting the run defense, but the DTs are not the most stout DTs in the league either.
No their not but they're the same DTs as last year with the real change that Fili Moala (at 300lbs) has largely replaced Foster (at 260lbs who has moved to DE). While play can regress it doesn't regress to a stage that you are giving up half a yard a carry more than the year before. The DTs aren't great against the run but then they weren't great against it last year. The regression in the run defense isn't on them.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin

In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.
Seamus2602 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:30 AM    (permalink
AntoinCD
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boxscorescouting.com
Posts: 5,836
Reputation: 1685895
AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus2602 View Post
No their not but they're the same DTs as last year with the real change that Fili Moala (at 300lbs) has largely replaced Foster (at 260lbs who has moved to DE). While play can regress it doesn't regress to a stage that you are giving up half a yard a carry more than the year before. The DTs aren't great against the run but then they weren't great against it last year. The regression in the run defense isn't on them.
Yeah the overall play of the defense has resulted in it but it wouldn't hurt to have someone who can actively take on double teams to free up the lbers and safetys. In general, seldom does a team have 4 defensive linemen who can play all three downs. On obvious run downs it wouldn't hurt the Colts to have a big guy to play the nose
__________________


BoneKrusher killing it with the sig
AntoinCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:35 AM    (permalink
Seamus2602
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Belfast, Ireland
Posts: 840
Reputation: 85004
Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AntoinCD View Post
Yeah the overall play of the defense has resulted in it but it wouldn't hurt to have someone who can actively take on double teams to free up the lbers and safetys. In general, seldom does a team have 4 defensive linemen who can play all three downs. On obvious run downs it wouldn't hurt the Colts to have a big guy to play the nose
That's why we drafted Terrence Taylor and it worked out brilliantly.

The defense does play better with a big guy to take on the doubles. You just need to look how well Indy played when we brought in Booger. Its just about finding someone in the lower rounds of the draft as I don't think Polian wants to spend a 1-3 round pick on a 2 down guy. That and we need roughly about 5 new starters on the Offensive Line in this year's draft.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin

In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.
Seamus2602 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:43 AM    (permalink
AntoinCD
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boxscorescouting.com
Posts: 5,836
Reputation: 1685895
AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus2602 View Post
That's why we drafted Terrence Taylor and it worked out brilliantly.

The defense does play better with a big guy to take on the doubles. You just need to look how well Indy played when we brought in Booger. Its just about finding someone in the lower rounds of the draft as I don't think Polian wants to spend a 1-3 round pick on a 2 down guy. That and we need roughly about 5 new starters on the Offensive Line in this year's draft.
Lol true. I know it's not in his style but depending on where you're picking, Polian could go for example

Derek Sherrod/Anthony Castonzo
Sione Fua
Kris O'Dowd/Darius Morris

In those first three rounds if you could upgrade a few positions along the offensive line, get a guy who is good on the nose and then after get a guy like Nate Irving in the 4th or 5th it would really help the team. However looking at Polian's draft history he will probably take a DE, WR, CB, WR, DE in the first 5 rounds
__________________


BoneKrusher killing it with the sig
AntoinCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:52 AM    (permalink
Seamus2602
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Belfast, Ireland
Posts: 840
Reputation: 85004
Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AntoinCD View Post
Lol true. I know it's not in his style but depending on where you're picking, Polian could go for example

Derek Sherrod/Anthony Castonzo
Sione Fua
Kris O'Dowd/Darius Morris

In those first three rounds if you could upgrade a few positions along the offensive line, get a guy who is good on the nose and then after get a guy like Nate Irving in the 4th or 5th it would really help the team. However looking at Polian's draft history he will probably take a DE, WR, CB, WR, DE in the first 5 rounds
I'm not going to criticise Bill Polian like a lot of Colts fans do. For all mind boggling, wtf moments that he causes with his draft picks does anyone really wanna argue that it hasn't worked? Since Polian has been President the Colts have made the playoffs all but two years, have won the Superbowl, been back to the Superbowl and have an overall record of 138-67 in that time frame. He's doing something right even if we don't quite know what it is.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin

In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.
Seamus2602 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:54 AM    (permalink
AntoinCD
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boxscorescouting.com
Posts: 5,836
Reputation: 1685895
AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus2602 View Post
I'm not going to criticise Bill Polian like a lot of Colts fans do. For all mind boggling, wtf moments that he causes with his draft picks does anyone really wanna argue that it hasn't worked? Since Polian has been President the Colts have made the playoffs all but two years, have won the Superbowl, been back to the Superbowl and have an overall record of 138-67 in that time frame. He's doing something right even if we don't quite know what it is.
True but it is all built around Manning. As the OP was saying if this stops working, what is the backup plan?
__________________


BoneKrusher killing it with the sig
AntoinCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 09:57 AM    (permalink
Seamus2602
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Belfast, Ireland
Posts: 840
Reputation: 85004
Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Seamus2602 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AntoinCD View Post
True but it is all built around Manning. As the OP was saying if this stops working, what is the backup plan?
Curtis Painter
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin

In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.
Seamus2602 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 10:00 AM    (permalink
AntoinCD
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boxscorescouting.com
Posts: 5,836
Reputation: 1685895
AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.AntoinCD is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus2602 View Post
Curtis Painter
Lol nice(10 char)
__________________


BoneKrusher killing it with the sig
AntoinCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 10:07 AM    (permalink
killxswitch
Mage Bros
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 8,716
Reputation: 2507551
killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I had a big long thing typed out but I realized most people aren't that interested in the Colts so I will be brief. The Colts missed an opportunity to reinvent themselves and change their culture when Dungy left. The team needs less complexity and reliance on Manning on offense, and more toughness and a change in scheme on defense. The front office (Polian) chose continuity and I think it's backfired. You can't replace Dungy with Caldwell. You can't replace Marvin Harrison with Anthony Gonzalez or Pierre Garcon. You can't build an OL from undrafted free agents and late round picks.

Polian said something in an interview that is telling of his mindset. He said to be successful they needed to look at what has made them successful in the past and do those things more. The problem is that some of the pieces that made the past success possible are gone and are not coming back.

What I hope to see is a tougher and more complete team around Manning as he finishes his career. Invest in the OL. Change the defensive scheme that is obviously not working. Work with the talent that is there rather than trying to force square pegs into round holes. This doesn't mean completely rebuild the team. Just tweak it instead of relying on Manning to do everything and hoping for the best.
__________________

i done stole dis sig
killxswitch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 10:14 AM    (permalink
21ST
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,675
Reputation: 10096
21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.21ST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus2602 View Post
Curtis Painter
Hes gonna make brees and orton look like ****
__________________
RIP Sean Michael Taylor
21ST is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 11:04 AM    (permalink
tuan33
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 133
Reputation: 1074
tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.tuan33 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus2602 View Post
No their not but they're the same DTs as last year with the real change that Fili Moala (at 300lbs) has largely replaced Foster (at 260lbs who has moved to DE). While play can regress it doesn't regress to a stage that you are giving up half a yard a carry more than the year before. The DTs aren't great against the run but then they weren't great against it last year. The regression in the run defense isn't on them.
It's not just size, it's strength too. The colt's DTs are getting pushed at the point of attack. Cody could hold it better not only because he's bigger, but because he's a lot stronger. I mean no one was moving pat williams for years and it helped the minny D tremendously. With the DTs taking up blockers, it'd help other areas of the run games. The Lbers dont have to worry about taking on OLers and it'll help them it in that area. I mean look at what ngata did for ray lewis. The man is having a spectacular late career resurgence because the ravens drafted Ngata.
tuan33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 11:10 AM    (permalink
yourfavestoner
#1 Vickscuser
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LakerLand
Posts: 13,130
Reputation: 628697
yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.yourfavestoner is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Bill Polian has been trying to reconstruct his Buffalo teams in Indy. Problem is that he's seem to have forgotten that those Buffalo teams could never win the Superbowl against the bigger, stronger, more rugged NFC teams.
yourfavestoner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 11:16 AM    (permalink
MaxV
Team Leader
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 12,888
Reputation: 206525
MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MaxV is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I don't think that Colts need to change their schemes. I'm a person that believes that schemes are only as good as the players.

Indy is never a player in the Free Agent market, so having good drafts every year is EXTREMELY important.

Polian has build a great reputation of always having strong drafts. Unfortunately, he seems to have lost his gift. Recent drafts have been REALLY crappy. As a result, this team is flawed.

In a recent interview, Polian has indicated that OL will be a priority in the off-season and isn't ruling out looking at Free Agents. I hope they can upgrade it.

As far as Defense, I actually think their personnel (assuming everyone is healthy) isn't bad. You just can't overcome so many injuries. I mean, other then Bethea, the secondary is currently 3rd and 4th stringers.

But this team ALWAYS needs more talent on D.

As far as DT goes, it is a need. All the current DTs on the roster are more of platoon guys. A guy who can be a big difference maker on all downs would certainly make this unit better.

A strong, disrupting DT can:

1. Clog the middle.
2. Prevent the opposition's QBs from stepping up in the pocket every time Mathis and Freeney rush upfield.
3. Make RBs have to make extra cuts and spend more time in the backfield, allowing those fast LBs and DBs to converge.


Unfortunately, those kinds of guys go early in the draft.

Last edited by MaxV : 12-10-2010 at 11:22 AM.
MaxV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 11:22 AM    (permalink
killxswitch
Mage Bros
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 8,716
Reputation: 2507551
killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.killxswitch is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Disagree about DT Max. They are a platoon but Muir last year and Moala at times this year have been disruptive in the backfield. But I think they overrotate. To many times out 300+ lb. guys are sitting on the bench while Foster and Dawson (both very sub-300) play in the middle. That is scheme, and that is stupid. I think they are one key DT away from a fantastic DL.

If they play the best DTs more, press the receivers more, and stop stunting the DL so much I think the team will improve. I don't mean they should go to a 3-4 or anything like that. Maybe "scheme" was the wrong word to use. They need to tweak some operational philosophies.
__________________

i done stole dis sig
killxswitch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 11:29 AM    (permalink
FlyingElvis
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: What do you do when a doo-doo chump punk points a finger like a stump?
Posts: 9,605
Reputation: 2066468
FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.FlyingElvis is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

As much as Polian pisses me off, it's hard to argue he must change when the results have been so good. The Colts have major injury issues and can't overcome that. Losing WRs/TEs/RBs at an alarming rate hurts any team, but this particular Colts team doesn't have the OLine necessary to compensate via heavier doses of run game and more time for Manning & the WRs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by killxswitch View Post
You can't build an OL from undrafted free agents and late round picks.
The only thing I think absolutely needs to change is the lack of drafting of offensive linemen. Isn't Tony Ugoh the only offensive lineman ever drafted by the Polian Colts in the top 3 rounds? That seems outrageous to me.
__________________

Sig img shamelessly stolen from teh interwebs
FlyingElvis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 11:35 AM    (permalink
NY+Giants=NYG
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 9,374
Reputation: 295348
NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.NY+Giants=NYG is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I am sure they may tweak some things in the offseason. They have had success with this style of play, and I think they may see and evaluate how to make the offense better come this offseason.

I hate that saying, if it ain't broke....Then when it finally breaks then what? Everyone runs around blaming the other for the cause of the break? I like to take a proactive approach even if something is working perfectly fine. I like to see how things can be made better and looking to constantly improve. That's how the Maras and Jerry Reese run our franchise, and that's how Coughlin/Gilbride evaluate our offense and every year we adapted when something happened the previous year.

Polian is a good GM who I have great respect for. I expect him to take a similar approach with that team, specifically the offense, when the season is done.
NY+Giants=NYG is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.