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Old 12-13-2010, 07:49 PM    (permalink
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The Jets suspended him for the rest of the season (including playoffs) and fine him 25K.

I think that is a fair punishment.
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Is that a Jets punishment only?? Will there be an NFL punishment if they don't think what the Jets did to be good enough??
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Is that a Jets punishment only?? Will there be an NFL punishment if they don't think what the Jets did to be good enough??
The Jets and the NFL talked today so I'm sure there was some kind of mutual agreement. But yes, the punishment was handed to him by the Jets.
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There already is a rule that players have to re-enter the field of play as soon as they can if they are pushed out. If they don't, they are flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. It happened to another Dolphins' gunner, Reshad Jones, during the Jets game. I don't understand how people can say any of this is Nolan Carroll's fault. That's just ignorant.

It's obvious that the Jets' coaches were strategically positioned on the sideline when you look how they are standing. Shoulder to shoulder with their toes as close to the sideline as possible. Clearly they are trying to obstruct the gunner. I doubt the intention of whoever organized that strategy was for them to trip the gunner. More likely, they are there to alter his path or cause hesitation, but I still think it's unfair. If a new rule needs to be added from this situation, it should be disallowing those tactics. I'm curious as to how many teams actually do that. I've never noticed it before now, but I would guess that it is probably fairly common?
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Can't believe people are actually supporting what happened. You can't knee a player if you are not in the field of play, plain and simple. If you want to make it so there is a rule that says he is not allowed to be out there, fine. But you cannot honestly fault the player for this and not the coach.
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I don't understand how people can say any of this is Nolan Carroll's fault. That's just ignorant.
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What's his salary? 25K is probably a big chunk of his yearly salary.
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You can't knee a player if you are not in the field of play
Clearly you can. Nothing about that jets' coach was on the field of play. Nolan Carroll was clearly out of bounds and he wasn't being pushed.
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Why is it illegal to trip a guy who ran out on his own and is clearly out of the play? Sure, it's a jerk move and should get you punched, but when you are that far out of bounds, a message should be sent. I wish the NFL was like the AFL with walls on the sidelines.

As much as it pains me, I really can't see why everyone is taking the player's side. He was about half an inch from being on the other side of the out of bounds line.
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I didn't care that much, because both feet were firmly planted out of the range of play in the Jets sideline area. The CB shouldn't have been running that far out of bounds. I have more of a problem with the rule than what happened really. Stay in the field of play.
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You can get in a fight during a game and throw haymakers at the other guy and not get suspended for it but tripping someone gets you suspended the rest of the year?
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You can get in a fight during a game and throw haymakers at the other guy and not get suspended for it but tripping someone gets you suspended the rest of the year?
Coach vs Player issue

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You can get in a fight during a game and throw haymakers at the other guy and not get suspended for it but tripping someone gets you suspended the rest of the year?
Punches don't "hurt the integrity of the game" but a coach tripping a player illegally out of bounds clearly does.
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Punches don't "hurt the integrity of the game" but a coach tripping a player illegally out of bounds clearly does.
I would think the fight would hurt the integrity of the game as well. I'm even a Texans fan and I thought both Andre and Cortland would get suspended at least 1 game. I think it does have to do with a player vs coach issue. Andre Johnson is one of the leagues top players while the Jets guy is just assistant coach no one knows. Money sure does talk.
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I would think the fight would hurt the integrity of the game as well. I'm even a Texans fan and I thought both Andre and Cortland would get suspended at least 1 game.
I think his post was tongue-in-cheek. That is how I read it. I read "integrity of the game" as being in sarcastic air quotes.
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Can't believe people are actually supporting what happened. You can't knee a player if you are not in the field of play, plain and simple. If you want to make it so there is a rule that says he is not allowed to be out there, fine. But you cannot honestly fault the player for this and not the coach.
Tripping him is bad and all, but Nolan should not be anywhere near him. It is against the rules to intentionally run out of bounds, it is also against the rules to not get back in bounds as soon as possible if you are forced out of bounds and it is also pretty much illegal to touch anyone else once you run out of bounds.

I don't support the trip and creating the wall(which everyone does) is kind of low but the simple fact is that complaining about it happening is like complaining you got a speeding ticket for speeding. Your breaking the rules/law is what put you in the position in the first place. I have no sympathy for Nolan at all, he made a dirty play and then got hit by another dirty play, that's pretty much Karma in my book.

Think the coach has been really hammered, he lent into the trip but he didn't move his feet, he is inside the coaches box and entitled to protect himself, the player absolutely SHOULD NOT be where he was, coaches box is 6 feet from the sideline. Big difference for me between going after a player and reacting to a player that has broken rules to be where he is that runs into you.

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Anyone else think it's kind of strange that there were 6 coaches lined up shoulder to shoulder, toeing the OB line and not one of them tried to get out of the way?

Maybe I'm grasping at straws here, but it looks so weird when I watch the replay and everyone knows that gunners get run out of bounds all the time. Where they set up there intentionally to interfere with the player getting back in bounds, not necessarily to trip him...
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Anyone else think it's kind of strange that there were 6 coaches lined up shoulder to shoulder, toeing the OB line and not one of them tried to get out of the way?

Maybe I'm grasping at straws here, but it looks so weird when I watch the replay and everyone knows that gunners get run out of bounds all the time. Where they set up there intentionally to interfere with the player getting back in bounds, not necessarily to trip him...
People don't stand like that unintentionally.

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Tripping him is bad and all, but Nolan should not be anywhere near him. It is against the rules to intentionally run out of bounds, it is also against the rules to not get back in bounds as soon as possible if you are forced out of bounds and it is also pretty much illegal to touch anyone else once you run out of bounds.

I don't support the trip and creating the wall(which everyone does) is kind of low but the simple fact is that complaining about it happening is like complaining you got a speeding ticket for speeding. Your breaking the rules/law is what put you in the position in the first place. I have no sympathy for Nolan at all, he made a dirty play and then got hit by another dirty play, that's pretty much Karma in my book.

Think the coach has been really hammered, he lent into the trip but he didn't move his feet, he is inside the coaches box and entitled to protect himself, the player absolutely SHOULD NOT be where he was, coaches box is 6 feet from the sideline. Big difference for me between going after a player and reacting to a player that has broken rules to be where he is that runs into you.

Just my thoughts though.
Probably the stupidest argument ever. He was clearly forced out by two Jets, and immediately attempted to make his way back to the field, something that happens very frequently on punts. It's not like he was just running the length of the field out of bounds. The line judge watches for that, as evidenced by Dolphins' gunner Reshad Jones being flagged for that exact penalty earlier in the game.
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So they have been doing this all year, yet Ryan and Westhoff knew nothing about it?
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I like you Jvig but this is one of those black pot/black kettle moments.
Hey it's not like I'm saying my team has done everything the right way. I understand in the last decade my team has done classes stuff in it's own right.
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