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Question Best DT in NFL?

1. Ngata
2. Suh
3. Raji

Those are my top 3 off the top of my head. Who do you guys have at the top of your list?

Suh is one of the most impressive rookie I've seen in a long time. As good as Ngata is, I think Suh will pass him soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see Suh blossom into the most impactful defensive player in the league within a few years.
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are u going for 3-4 DTs, 4-3 DTs or both?

cause i cant see Raji above guys like Wilfork, Kyle Williams, Tommy Kelly, kevin williams or even babineaux.
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1. Ngata
2. Suh
3. Raji

Those are my top 3 off the top of my head. Who do you guys have at the top of your list?

Suh is one of the most impressive rookie I've seen in a long time. As good as Ngata is, I think Suh will pass him soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see Suh blossom into the most impactful defensive player in the league within a few years.
4-3 or 3-4? I think it is hard to judge if we are just making it general.
Ngata plays DE in a 3-4.
Rajii is a 3-4 NT.
Suh is a 4-3 DT.
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are u going for 3-4 DTs, 4-3 DTs or both?

cause i cant see Raji above guys like Wilfork, Kyle Williams, Tommy Kelly, kevin williams or even babineaux.
Both 3-4 and 4-3 guys.

Wilfork is a better run-stuffer than Raji but I think Raji is a bit more athletic and makes a bigger impact as a pass rusher and can make some plays that Wilfork can't.

Kelly's not as good against the run although his pass rushing has been impressive this season.

Kevin Williams was not that great this year and certainly not better than Raji. Those other guys aren't in the same class.
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I was just thinking about who the top nose tackles were coming off Raji's big game against the Giants. I still have to put Wilfork above him, not by a lot though. Ngata is probably the best DL in the league, it's just a question of whether you call him a nose tackle or not. Past that Raji stands on firm ground, followed by Tommy Kelly then Kyle Williams.
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Wilfork > Raji (I'm a pat and BC fan so its not a homer pick)
Wilfork is the best NT in football today (bc Ngata plays DE)
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I'm gonna say Suh is already the best DT in the game. He's just phenomenal. Fred Robbins and Barry Cofield are also in the discussion of the best DT's, even though no one follows them. Robbins quietly has 6 sacks this year and has been a force for the Rams defense.
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Ngta>Suh>Everyone else
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pretty impossible to determine who is better between Wilfork, Ngata and Suh but they are def tier 1, could probably throw in Dockett if he were still playing UT
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I'm gonna say Suh is already the best DT in the game. He's just phenomenal. Fred Robbins and Barry Cofield are also in the discussion of the best DT's, even though no one follows them. Robbins quietly has 6 sacks this year and has been a force for the Rams defense.
Robbins has been great this season, but Cofield has been average.
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He is not the best but ellis has been an absolute beast this season. Better than a few of the guys ive seen mentioned in this thread
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Tommie Harris is an absolute beast.

Wait, there I go again thinking it's 2006....
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I would love to see the NFL gravitate toward more DT's in the mold of Ndamukong Suh, fast, strong, athletic, 3-down players, rather than the big blob sumos that are huffing and puffing after the first series.
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Robbins has been great this season, but Cofield has been average.
Cofield has been right on par with Sedrick Ellis and Robbins in that 2nd tier after the obviousguys like Suh and Ngata. I wouldn't call his output this season "average".
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Hard to rank them because of different schemes, but I'd take Ngata over any DT in the league.
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I would love to see the NFL gravitate toward more DT's in the mold of Ndamukong Suh, fast, strong, athletic, 3-down players, rather than the big blob sumos that are huffing and puffing after the first series.
I'm sure every franchise would love it if they could have every DT in the mold of Ndamukong Suh......a once in a decade talent.

I wish every CB was more like Deoin Sanders too
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1) Ngata
2) Suh

3) Wilfork

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Those other guys aren't in the same class.
Kyle Williams has arguably outplayed every other defensive tackle in football this year.
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And I'm arguing that he didn't outplay Ngata, Suh, or Raji.
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That's because you're an idiot
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I'm sure every franchise would love it if they could have every DT in the mold of Ndamukong Suh......a once in a decade talent.

I wish every CB was more like Deoin Sanders too
You're wrong here. Look at Jared Crick at Nebraska. A very similar skillset to Suh. And there are a lot more players like him that play every Friday night throughout the Midwest. The only problem is that they are largely invisible to Rivals, Scouts, Inc., and the other services that are "the experts" in finding and grading players.
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Williams had a great season from the games I saw, but I'll still take Ngata or Suh over him easily.
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