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Old 12-27-2010, 04:31 PM    (permalink
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Ngata plays end so enough of the hypothetical.

1. Wilfork
2. Suh
3. Kyle Williams
4. Raji

Sure, if Ngata played tackle every down instead of rotating inside and out then he would be the top guy. But he doesn't he's the best 3-4 DE in football, possibly the best DE in general.
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Within Baltimore's defense I think Ngata is listed as the DT, Gregg the NT and Redding the DE. Anyway, end in a 34 is closer to a 43 DT than 43 DE, so you can consider them DTs in rankings.
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Which is why the whole question is ridiculous.
The roles of 3-4 NT is totally different than a 4-3 DT.
While 3-4 ends and 4-3 DTs are similar in terms of size, they once again do not have the same role.
It really is ridiculous to have a list with both at the end of the day.
Both Ngata/Redding are listed as DE by the Ravens btw.
Gregg is the only listed NT I believe.
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Within Baltimore's defense I think Ngata is listed as the DT, Gregg the NT and Redding the DE.
This is correct. My mistake. Baltimore is one of the few teams, if not the only that lists two of the three down linemen as tackles in a 3-4.
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I'm not saying best but there sure are a lot of guys being listed above the guy that has a lot to do with the lowest rush yards per game in a LOOONG time.
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I'm not saying best but there sure are a lot of guys being listed above the guy that has a lot to do with the lowest rush yards per game in a LOOONG time.
Take into consideration that teams are less dedicated to the run now than at any other point in NFL history.
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And I'm arguing that he didn't outplay Ngata, Suh, or Raji.
Well, you can argue that...but you're still completely incorrect.

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And I'm arguing that he didn't outplay Ngata, Suh, or Raji.
And I'm arguing that he did.

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Ngata is the best defensive lineman in the NFL, at any DL position.

He'd be better than most teams best DL at his position. (edit: I say most, because he won't beat Freeney at DE in the Colts' scheme, obviously)
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Take into consideration that teams are less dedicated to the run now than at any other point in NFL history.
Except it is still 26+ yards lower than any other team this year. I believe. I'd say Hampton is still top 2 NT and top 5-7 DT in the game. And that is without the best 34 run stopping DE in the game.
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Kyle Williams is great and all, but god damn, Ngata is the premier defensive player in the league.
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Haynesworth is lazy not scheme diverse, but he can still walk back any interior Olineman in the league.

Maybe still the functionally strongest Dlineman in the league.
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Except it is still 26+ yards lower than any other team this year. I believe. I'd say Hampton is still top 2 NT and top 5-7 DT in the game. And that is without the best 34 run stopping DE in the game.
BJ Raji is more effective and impactful than Casey Hampton.
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Also lacks to mention Clay Matthews.
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Eh, if you say so. I really don't think he is more effective at stopping the run than Hampton is. That is all Hampton is asked to do. Well and occupy blockers if he happens to be in on a passing play.

Impactful, I won't argue. He doesn't make many impact plays, like rushing the QB or sacks. He doesn't make many tackles even. But what he does for everyone around him is ridiculous.
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Question: why is nobody talking about Tommie Harris in this thread?

Harris and Julius Peppers are what makes maybe the best 4-3 defensive front in football work.
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Harris and Julius Peppers are what makes maybe the best 4-3 defensive front in football work.

Common sense tells me to write this off as a joke but I'm not completely sure.
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Common sense tells me to write this off as a joke but I'm not completely sure.
He has to be kidding. No one thinks Tommie Harris is good now.

Except for Tommie Harris, that is.

He does do a solid job of holding down the bench for about 40 minutes of each game, though.

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In my head, I've somehow convinced myself the Bears would have won the Superbowl if he had played in it. Interior pressure was the only thing missing defensively. They got dinked and dunked to death.

But yes, he's ******* terrible now.
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