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Old 12-29-2010, 04:34 PM    (permalink
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Why did the Broncos get rid of Mike Nolan last year? Seems to have turned Cameron Wake into a beast like Doom last year.
I think Nolan forced his way out. Probably clashed too much with McD.
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I still believe in Nolan as a coach. Wherever he goes, nice things tend to happen on defense. I'm willing to bet he gets another go around as a head coach before it's all said and done.
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I still believe in Nolan as a coach. Wherever he goes, nice things tend to happen on defense. I'm willing to bet he gets another go around as a head coach before it's all said and done.
The 49ers gave him too much power too quickly. He went from a coordinator with no head coaching or management experience to being handed all the keys in San Fran.

If he can continue to develop stud defenders, I too think he'll get another shot. But I think it should be on a team with a pretty powerful GM to handle the personnel side of things and just let Nolan coach.
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I think the problem with a lot of teams nowadays is that they're all trying to find the next Bill Belichick.

They hire a young man and give him total control, many of the time the guy will have very little or no co-ordinator experience and let them bring in their own staff in. The problem being that because they've handed them so much power they're expected to come up with results pretty quickly and end up getting the boot after a couple of seasons, long before they've even really established themselves.
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I think the problem with a lot of teams nowadays is that they're all trying to find the next Bill Belichick.

They hire a young man and give him total control, many of the time the guy will have very little or no co-ordinator experience and let them bring in their own staff in. The problem being that because they've handed them so much power they're expected to come up with results pretty quickly and end up getting the boot after a couple of seasons, long before they've even really established themselves.


They still haunt my nightmares....

But to your main point, I agree that teams are trying too hard to find the next young, great coach. They turn over full control to a coordinator or position coach who's never had to coach a whole team or make personnel decisions before and expect him to start hot right out of the gate.

McD is a perfect example of this...he gutted Denver's roster of talented players who simply didn't fit what he wanted, and then went on to draft really, really poorly. The plays might have been better fits, but he just didn't have the "eye for talent" that a more seasoned coach would have.
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Teams need to be looking for the next Tom Brady, not the next Bill Belichick.

Belichick's record when Tom Brady starts: 110-32 (.775)

Belichick's record when anyone else starts: 51-62 (.451)
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The NFL wunderkind experiment is likely over. Really didn't hit with any of those young hires. McDaniel's and Mangini in New York were both prominent examples of that kind of deal. I don't think the NFL will stop going young with head coaching candidates, but I think there's going to be a bit more looking into making sure their experience and track record checks out.
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Mike Tomlin worked out pretty well...he was very young with only 1 year of coordinator experience iirc before being hired. But he had a great defensive coordinator already in place and an organization with a history of good management.
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You guys are forgetting the youngest coach of them all, who has panned out so far: Raheem Morris. Although he wasn't given personnel control(that belongs to another sub-40 year old in Mark Dominik). Raheem had no coordinator experience serving as a DB coach before being hired.
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Tomlin is an interesting guy. Really hard to figure out. He's obviously very good at working within that system there and managing the personalities on that team both on the roster and the coaching staff. The schemes he came from are the absolute opposite of what LeBeau runs for the Steelers too. If you had written all of that down on paper you would have to think he had the most working against him in terms of fitting in, but he's obviously done a fantastic job.
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You guys are forgetting the youngest coach of them all, who has panned out so far: Raheem Morris. Although he wasn't given personnel control(that belongs to another sub-40 year old in Mark Dominik). Raheem had no coordinator experience serving as a DB coach before being hired.
well to be fair, last year and parts of this year Bucs fans were already screaming for his head.
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Why did the Broncos get rid of Mike Nolan last year? Seems to have turned Cameron Wake into a beast like Doom last year.
Yeah McDaniels pretty much made sure to try and get rid of anything good the Broncos had going for them.
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So is David Garrard out of Jacksonville? I'm guessing he plus Del Rio are toast.
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So is David Garrard out of Jacksonville? I'm guessing he plus Del Rio are toast.
Be crazy if Fisher, Del Rio, and Kubiak all lost their jobs.
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Well, if there's anything positive to emerge for Eagles fans from the Vikings loss, it's that we still get a bye of sorts, and Dallas will likely receive a lower draft pick when they beat our backups this week.
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So is David Garrard out of Jacksonville? I'm guessing he plus Del Rio are toast.
Del Rio should be toast, but he won't be. Garrard should be toast too, but he won't be either. Wayne Weaver does not have the money that a lot of owners have and cutting Del Rio and Garrard loose will be expensive. And where the Jags will likely be picking, they will miss out on Luck and Locker. I'd be shocked if Gene Smith drafted Newton or Mallet because he has shown that he does not want guys with character concerns. Add the uncertainty of the labor agreement and it looks like both those guys are here for at least another year.

Now if the Jags could sign Palmer, McNabb, or maybe Orton for cheap, Garrard may be gone. But are any of those actually an upgrade?
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Sorry Giants and Bucs, the Bears are about to open the playoff gates for the Packers.....I'd really love to knock their smug asses out but alas, I guess it's better to not risk injury at this point. The Football Gods typically don't like teams that do that though....so I'm a little worried.
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How long do you guys think Tom Brady will play? Should I find a replacement for him for my fantasy championship this weekend?
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Sorry Giants and Bucs, the Bears are about to open the playoff gates for the Packers.....I'd really love to knock their smug asses out but alas, I guess it's better to not risk injury at this point. The Football Gods typically don't like teams that do that though....so I'm a little worried.
I don't know why Smith had to say all week that he's going to play his starters all game and then not follow through with it.
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What will the media and fan backlash be like regarding the Bears resting starters this week if the Packers are the team that eventually knocks the Bears out of the playoffs in the NFC Championship Game?
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What will the media and fan backlash be like regarding the Bears resting starters this week if the Packers are the team that eventually knocks the Bears out of the playoffs in the NFC Championship Game?
It would suck. A lot. But it couldn't happen until the NFC Championship game.
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It would suck. A lot. But it couldn't happen until the NFC Championship game.
And that's why I conveniently wrote "knocks the Bears out of the playoffs in the NFC Championship Game?"

I mean, I fully expect the Bears to win their divisional round game against the Saints if the Packers beat the Eagles in the wildcard round.

So they're probably going to be in the NFCCG. But seriously, a loss to the Packers of all teams, in the NFCCG, at home, would be utterly disastrous. Lovie Smith and the Bears better pray that the Eagles upset the Packers in the wildcard round, because I have a strong feeling that if the Packers get into the playoffs, they're going to blow past the Eagles, and blow past the Falcons and head straight to the NFCCG.
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My lack of thoroughness in reading aside, It would suck a lot still, but I don't think the backlash would be as bad as if say, we laid down and let them into the playoffs and then lost to them a week later hosting them in the Wildcard round.

Even if we let them in, they'd still have to get through 2 other playoff caliber opponents before they'd face us again, so it wouldn't be as bad in terms of "oh, we let them in, and then they beat us!" It would just be along the lines of "Dammit, we made it to the Championship game and lost to the ******* Packers....."
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