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Old 12-31-2010, 07:43 AM    (permalink
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A coach who turned over half his roster this year (due to injuries, contract situations, free agency, rookies, etc), had a winning record, and beat division leaders in the crunch time (and by "beat down" margins) would be a lock most years, but when he's Bill Belichick then it's just expected.
Let me fix that:

-A coach who turned over about 10 or 15% of his roster this off-season.


-But when he has God Brady at QB, the greatest QB of all-time so I hear, it's not more impressive than what Haley or Morris have done with those teams that were terrible last year.


And there you go again whining and making excuses due to injuries. You want to compare injuries? Look at all the guys the Bucs have had injured. Or the Colts offense with Austin Collie, Dallas Clark, Joe Addai, etc.

Those aren't ***** excuses. Those are valid.

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Let me fix that:

-A coach who turned over about 10 or 15% of his roster this off-season.
Yeah, because

Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Brandon Spikes, Gerard Warren, Dan Connolly x2 (he's started at two positions, neither of which he started at or was intended to be the starter), Brandon Deaderick, Jermaine Cunningham, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Danny Woodhead, Deion Branch, and I could go on is 10-15% of your starters.

That's quite a bit more than 10-15% of your starters.

my post was in response to yours acting like no one has issues other than the Packers. Clearly every team in the NFL has issues that cause players not to play.

edit: erm... meant starters, not roster. :(
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Yeah, because

Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Brandon Spikes, Gerard Warren, Dan Connolly x2 (he's started at two positions, neither of which he started at or was intended to be the starter), Brandon Deaderick, Jermaine Cunningham, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Danny Woodhead, Deion Branch, and I could go on is 10-15% of your starters.
That 10-15% figure has very little to do with the draft, it is intended to show what the team did in free agency & you have to admit, he didn't get rid of many of his starters, he just brought in young, solid talent. He was comfortable with 80% of his team (which was already superbowl caliber) so lets not go giving the guy the coach of the year award when we all know this patriots team was already playoff caliber. He just added a ridiculous draft class to make them better. I've never heard of giving a dude the coach of the year award solely because of his amazing draft class. I refuse to back down from the "solely" part of that sentence because he is BILL FREAKING BELICHICK. Coach of the year isn't like MVP. It's always rewarded to the coach that did the most for his team. Belichick may have done more for a team than any coach in history, but not this year. It was years ago that he put this team/system together. Raheem Morris FTW

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BB is a legimate, worthy candidate. The offensive philosophical changes made after the first 4-5 games really put the Patriots in position to be a very effecient machine.

Regardless of the roster turn over, amount of rookies starting and the idea that the Jets were going to be a 13-14 win team/Dolphins were supposed to make a step forward(whch both didn't happen) I projected the Patriots to be an 11-12 win team and a likely division winner/wild card at worst.

Two things remained the same for NE, BB and Brady. You put those two with a group of us and they will win at least 8 games. They set the bar that high with the results they have acheived over the past decade. They executed better than they ever have, yes, but I think other coaches and they franchise changing type seasons occurred cannot be overlooked.
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Mike McCarthy because of all the injuries.
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I've never heard of giving a dude the coach of the year award solely because of his amazing draft class. ... Raheem Morris FTW
What did the Bucs do again? Josh Freeman blew up and drafted a great draft class. You simply don't win without talent (or an easy schedule, for the Bucs)

You still have to coach rookies and new talent.

edit: as much as people like to point out the year Brady is having, the Patriots have restructured their offense, they've balanced their attack, and they've turned a young defense (the next youngest is probably a college team) into a very disciplined (outside of Brandon "I take bad angles, never play within the system, and am always out of position... but I made the Pro Bowl" Meriweather) unit that generates turnovers.
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He was insinuating. Unfortunately, I did not grab the earlier post in the quote.
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Why is Todd Haley getting so much love? Scott Pioli basically forced Weis and Crennel on his coaching staff and now magically they're doing well, and Haley is the reason?

I don't buy that. If anything, this turn around by the Chiefs is more of a reflection of Weis and Crennel than it is on Haley.

For me personally, it's between BB, Spagnuolo, and Mike Smith. BB won't get it bc we're so accustomed to him doing things like this that we become desensitized to him. But this is arguably his best coaching job ever. Not to mention, he's also the front office so he's directly responsible for all the moves made by the Pats this season as well.

Mike Smith is taking what I believe is a team with average talent and overachieving with it. Health and a favorable schedule along with some breaks surely played a role in that, but give him credit, they've won and he's done a good job turning that defense around.

Spags is taking a team with very little talent at the skill positions and may take it to the playoffs. To be fair, I think this is moreso bc of Bradford, bc Spags has had some questionable game management decisions this year, but still impressive none the less.
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Another argument for Belichick is...look at their schedule. Look who they've beaten... They beat 7 of the playoff teams as well as some other really good non-playoff teams.
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I agree. What did the Bucs do again? Josh Freeman blew up and drafted a great draft class. You simply don't win without talent (or an easy schedule, for the Bucs)
Yes, but there's a clear difference between what I said and what you seem to think I said. The Bucs had an undeniably great draft that has lead this team to where they are. Morris and the rookies have taken this team from nothing to something. The patriots rookies haven't taken the team from nothing to something. They haven't even taken the team from average to great. They just made a great team better. If you had re-read my post, you'd see that I said that you don't give a coach the award SOLELY because of a good draft class. There is more to Morris than a good draft class. You don't start that many rookies and just pray for results.

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I made one post about how McCarthy has done a good job with a heavily injured team and it spawned 20 posts about how much Packers fans whine about it. You guys make such a bigger deal about it than we do- the very thing you are trying to make fun of. That's irony.
Thats just it. None of you need to bring it up, we all know. Every single poster on this board understands, TEH PACKERS HAVE INJURIES. Idk if your all still expecting some sympathy from the rest of us or what, but anytime a packer fan brings it up, everyone is going to laugh because weve heard it a million times this season, and that was before the jokes started being made. Stop bringing it up and the jokes will stop being made, not at first, but eventually. We still don't care about the packer injuries in case you guys haven't noticed either.

Edit: And Jimmy NEPG whole point was where have the bucs rookie class gotten them? A decent record and most likely not in the playoffs, and they still haven't beaten any good teams over 500 teams. Saying well our rookies have gotten us here when there is a sub par record isn't a convincing argument. If were looking at it in terms of how far a team has come, then it's the Chiefs.
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For me, this is Mike Smith hands down. He's done an absolutely fantastic job with that Falcons team. This was one of the least talented rosters in football 3 seasons ago, and they're now the #1 seed in the NFC. Mike Smith deserves it again for taking that team to the next level if you ask me
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Guys, the Giants have injuries too...

Guys, the Pack has injuriez too...
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Yeah, because

Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Brandon Spikes, Gerard Warren, Dan Connolly x2 (he's started at two positions, neither of which he started at or was intended to be the starter), Brandon Deaderick, Jermaine Cunningham, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Danny Woodhead, Deion Branch, and I could go on is 10-15% of your starters.

That's quite a bit more than 10-15% of your starters.

my post was in response to yours acting like no one has issues other than the Packers. Clearly every team in the NFL has issues that cause players not to play.

edit: erm... meant starters, not roster. :(
um...how is drafting guys, on a weak position actually an excuse for a bad thing? Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Gerard Warren, Dan Connolly, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandex, Danny Woodhead, Deion Branch were all guys that started because of either they were drafted to start, lack of talent from the start of the off-season, trades that occurred during the off-season/mid season, or Bill not giving his best players top dollars. None in which were sudden, or out of the blue.

Those moves, except for the Moss trade, happened prior to the start of the season.

edit: plus an aging roster, a turnover was suppose to occur sooner or later.
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Right, the Bears had one big injury last year, Urlacher, and they fell apart like a cheap suit, going like 5-11 or some crap like that. They whined about it too, but because they fell out of contention within 4 weeks without Urlacher, they didn't whine long because their team and their fans basically gave up by October something and ignored the rest of the season.

Nick Barnett is the Packers Urlacher at MLB, and Barnett is about the 4th or 5th best player we've put on IR.
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Yeah man, I totally get what you're saying. The Bears, with their 100% identical roster completely choked once they lost their middle linebacker. How in the world did Green Bay manage to do anything this year without their middle linebacker who obviously stacks up with Urlacher among the league's better players.
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um...how is drafting guys, on a weak position actually an excuse for a bad thing? Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Gerard Warren, Dan Connolly, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandex, Danny Woodhead, Deion Branch were all guys that started because of either they were drafted to start, lack of talent from the start of the off-season, trades that occurred during the off-season/mid season, or Bill not giving his best players top dollars. None in which were sudden, or out of the blue.

Those moves, except for the Moss trade, happened prior to the start of the season.

edit: plus an aging roster, a turnover was suppose to occur sooner or later.
Yeah, turnover was eventually going to happen, but teams don't win 13 or 14 games when it happens. And Woodhead, McCourty/Arrington, Warren, and Connolly are starters because Kevin Faulk, Nick Kaczur, Stephen Neal, and two Pro Bowl defensive players (Leigh Bodden and Ty Warren) are injured.
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Wait, the Patriots had injuries this season?

LOL at tagging Leigh Bodden as a Pro Bowl player. Best one of the year right there so far.
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Wait, the Patriots had injuries this season?

LOL at tagging Leigh Bodden as a Pro Bowl player. Best one of the year right there so far.
Packmann decided that he's going to be like every other Packers fan this year and pretend that no other team has had injuries to deal with.

Leigh Bodden was one of the best corners in the NFL last year. In case you missed it.
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Leigh Bodden was one of the best corners in the NFL last year. In case you missed it.
TRAMON WILLIAMSzZzZzZ IS THE BEST CORNER!1!! NO CORNER IS PLAYING BETTER, NONE!

...but he's probably injured, anyway.
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