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Four at the top of the pack, IMHO and in no particular order:

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Note: Thread title says "Rookie class", not draft class.

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I hate these kinds of threads so I'll just say that all of these teams have had impressive rookie classes.
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No love for the Browns who have Joe Haden, TJ Ward, and Colt McCoy.
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on the topic of rookiies is it just me or has the group of roookie TE's this year been unbelievable.Gresham, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Moeaki etc. this was a great class for TE's
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No love for the Browns who have Joe Haden, TJ Ward, and Colt McCoy.
Yeah, plus, add in Montario Hardesty who was supposed to be getting all of Hillis' carries.
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Tampa was very solid with Blount, Williams, and McCoy.
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In no order

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I hate these kinds of threads so I'll just say that all of these teams have had impressive rookie classes.
Yet you still opened it and made sure to post in it.

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Cleveland should be there with the 4 I mentioned in the OP, with out a doubt. Good call
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It was started by a Bucs fan, so I figured it was at least good for a laugh.
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Patriots rookies that made an impact;

Devin McCourty- Pro Bowler in his first year. Really punished teams for throwing the deep ball on him and was thrown away from for a lot of the time late in the year. Also provided some help in run support and was a sure tackler.

Rob Gronkowski- Struggled early. Ran poor routes and dropped some very easy(and crucial) passes. The instant chemistry Brady seems to have with most pass catchers was not there with Gronk initially. One thing he did do extremely well right away was block. He and Alge Crumpler played a very large role in emergence of our run game. He picked it up at the end of the year as a receiver as well, particularly after the Browns game which he played a very large part in losing with a few key drops, a muffed kick, and a fumble. Back half of the year he was one of the more dependable receivers we had and honestly played at a Pro Bowl level. Should be an absolute stud going forward.

Jermaine Cunningham- He dealt with injuries throughout the year, especially early and late. For a time in the middle of the year, he was a very good pass rusher, but not a sack artist like we were all hoping for. Always seemed to get within feet of a quarterback on get an arm on them and then not end up wrapping up. But he did make an impact at times. The pick at the end of the Colts game can largely be attributed to him getting in there and causing Manning to loft up a duck. The jury is still out, but he showed some promise.

Brandon Spikes- One of the reasons Jerod Mayo reemerged as the impact player he was his rookie year. Perfect fit for our scheme, playing the Ted Johnson role. Took on fullbacks and tight ends all year and made a big difference in the run. The defense with him on the field and the defense with Guyton on the field is very, very different. Perhaps better against the pass, but not anywhere near as effective against the run. Should be a starter for years to come, even if it is as a two down player.

Aaron Hernandez- A big play waiting to happen. One of the better hybrid players in the league already. The type of plays he is capable of making after the catch are pretty rare. He is not an every down player or even as good of a player overall as Gronkowski is, but he's a valuable weapon. The only concern with him is that his hands are pretty questionable at times. When he's not coming back for the ball or it's not an easy catch, it's 50/50 with him. He's also not a very strong blocker, but he will get in someones way and not give them an easy time of getting to the ball carrier. It will be interesting to see how he develops going forward along with Gronkowski.

Dane Fletcher- Hero of the Green Bay game. Got a huuuuge sack on Matt Flynn on third down. It was a hell of a play by him that I really can't talk enough about. Started off zoned off to the weak side of the ball. He recognized the situation and realized that there was no one in the area and knifed in for the sack that killed that drive and put the Packers in desperation mode. Already a valuable third down linebacker because of his ability to play solid, smart coverage and now has sacks in back to back weeks.

Patriots Rookies that have received meaningful playing time;

Brandon Deaderick- Started 3(or 4?) games for us in the second half of the year. His footspeed is severely limited, but he plays his gaps well and takes up a lot of space when he's playing with good technique. He's been more than a depth player for us, but less than you would want from a starter. He could still end up being a long term starter for us in the end depending on coaching/improvements he makes. Dealt with some injuries late in the year and hasn't been playing lately.

Kyle Love- Started his first game for us last week at NT and really flashed a few times. Plays with a very low center of gravity and seems to be really strong. Could be a good depth player for us going forward.

Zoltan Mesko- Starting punter all year. He's helped with field position and looks like he'll stick around for a long time.


Honestly feel like we're right up there.
The rookies have been a massive, massive part of this team for the first time in years. Maybe I'm getting carried away because this is the first good draft class we've had in awhile, but we had such a stellar class from top to bottom.
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Kansas City:

Eric Berry
Dexter McCluster
Tony Moeaki
Javier Arenas
Kendrick Lewis

Tampa:

Mike Williams
Arrelious Benn
Gerald McCoy
Cody Grimm

New England:

Aaron Hernandez
Rob Gronkowski
Zoltan Mesko
Jermaine Cunningham
Brandon Spikes
Devin McCourty
Dane Fletcher


are those the three best? New England's is ridiculously productive.

I like St.Louis, Detroit, Cincinnati and Cleveland's rookies too.

I think the Browns have potentially 4 future pro bowlers in their draft class between McCoy, Haden, Ward, and Hardesty (if Montario can get and stay healthy).
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It's ridiculous the amount of rookies in Tampa that contribute. Mark Dominik is a ******* vulture.

Williams, Blount, McCoy, Grimm, and Benn were pretty productive.

Starting now or here and there are Derek Hardman, Ted Larsen, Robert Malone, Erik Lorig, Dekoda Watson, and Al Woods.

Also seeing snaps recently or throughout the season, Brian Price, Preston Parker, Dezmon Briscoe, Larry Asante, and Myron Lewis.

Little known facts: Packers have a lot injuries, Buccaneers have a lot rookies.
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Anyone feel like posting some lists of the top 5-10 candidates? I like Clevelands and New Englands the most, probably. Kansas City did well, but they lose points because Eric Berry and Dexter McCluster get overrated because they were great prospects but haven't been lights out on the field. Don't hate KC fans, I'm not saying they are bad, they just haven't had the year 1 impact Cleveland and NE rookies did. Also, Tampa did good, but since Blount doesn't count, the rest don't stack up with the top couple teams.

Detroit gets mentioned because Suh is so ridiculous and Best was a good pick too, but as far as I know the rest haven't done anything. How is Jason Fox doing, Lions fans? He was one of my favorite prospects and I wanted him on the Packers.

Homer corner: Packers did well, somewhere between 10-15 I'd think. Bulaga has started almost all games as a rookie and has done a great job. As he's improved you have seen our running game and pass protection improve. Franchise tackle, don't know what side though.
Mike Neal and Morgan Burnett both looked good to very good but went on IR early.
Andrew Quarless was an excellent pick at TE. Very athletic and has contributed in the absence of Finley. Was supposed to be raw but consistently gets open and catches balls. Not as good as Gronkowski or Moeaki though has more upside.
C.J. Wilson has done an admirable though unspectacular job starting some games due to injuries.
UDFA Sam Shields is playing like a 2nd-3rd round pick at nickel CB, a spot he's held all year.
UDFA Frank Zombo has done very well opposite side of CM3 and started the majority of the season, but has limited upside.
UDFA Tom Crabtree has shared time with Quarless, he's our best blocking TE and a great special teamer and can catch the ball.

On second thought the Packers might deserve to be more in the 5-10 range. Sam Shields, Bryan Bulaga, and Frank Zombo have all been integral parts of the team. CJ Wilson, Quarless, and Crabtree have all contributed in significant ways. I know this draft class isn't going to blow anyone away but we've had rookies start more than the vast majority of teams and they have been anywhere from average to good. It doesn't stand out because it's mostly come from depth players that aren't making mistakes but aren't making big splashes either.

If just one of Mike Neal or Morgan Burnett come back and play at the level they were at, this class was a win. Depending on those 2 this draft ranges from a C to an A. Sam Shields was a real coup. I doubt there are any UDFAs playing better than him right now.
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Anyone feel like posting some lists of the top 5-10 candidates? I like Clevelands and New Englands the most, probably. Kansas City did well, but they lose points because Eric Berry and Dexter McCluster get overrated because they were great prospects but haven't been lights out on the field. Don't hate KC fans, I'm not saying they are bad, they just haven't had the year 1 impact Cleveland and NE rookies did. Also, Tampa did good, but since Blount doesn't count, the rest don't stack up with the top couple teams.
McCluster I'll give you but Berry is drastically better now then at the beggining of the year
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McCluster missed quite a few games in the middle of the year so I agree but Berry has been pretty damn good this year.
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Starts wise Arizona has to be up there

Max Hall - 3 Starts
John Skelton - 4 Starts
Dan Williams - 0 Starts but a lot of playing time
Daryl Washington - 10 Starts
Andre Roberts - 1 Start
O'Brien Schofield - 2 Starts
Jim Dray - 2 Starts

plus some solid playing time for Max Komar & Stephen Williams
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McCluster I'll give you but Berry is drastically better now then at the beggining of the year
Yeah I remember him starting out struggling, maybe even being a detriment to the defense. I knew he was turning it around, I saw he had a big INT a week or 2 or 3 ago. I was sort of averaging his play throughout the year and that's why Cleveland and New England get a slight edge to me. He's coming on strong, and like I said, I like his future prospects. He was my #2 prospect last year and probably my personal favorite.
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2010 Rookie class :

Rd 1, Pick 3 (3) McCoy, Gerald DT Starter for first 13 games before being placed on IR
Rd 2, Pick 3 (35) Price, Brian DT Played in 5 games, no starts before being placed on IR
Rd 2, Pick 7 (39) Benn, Arrelious WR Starter for last 9 games, played in all 15 before being placed on IR
Rd 3, Pick 3 (67) Lewis, Myron CB Starter for 1 game, played in 9 games
Rd 4, Pick 3 (101) Williams, Mike WR Starter for 15 games
Rd 6, Pick 3 (172) Bowden, Brent P Cut before the season began
Rd 7, Pick 3 (210) Grimm, Cody LB Starter for 9 games after Tanard Jackson was suspended, before being placed on IR
Rd 7, Pick 10 (217) Watson, Dekoda LB Played in 14 games with 1 start
Rd 7, Pick 46 (253) Lorig, Erik DE Converted to TE/FB Played in 8 games with 1 start


Rd 4, Pick 25 (123)* Woods, Al DT Played in 8 games with no starts
Rd 5, Pick 29 (160)# Asante, Larry SS Played in 1 game with no starts
Rd 6, Pick 22 (191)^ Briscoe, Dezmon WR Played in 1 game with no starts
Rd 6, Pick 36 (205)~ Larsen, Ted OL Started 10 games and played in 11
Undrafted Rookie Carter, Brandon OL Played in 1 game with no starts
Undrafted Rookie Blount, LeGarrette RB Played in 12 games with 6 starts
Undrafted Rookie Malone, Robert P Played in 11 games
Undrafted Rookie Barker, Will OT Played in 3 games
Undrafted Rookie Hardman, Derek OG Played in 8 games with 3 starts
Undrafted Rookie Parker, Preston WR Played in 8 games
Undrafted Rookie Worthington, Doug DE Just brought up to the 53 for Week 17
Undrafted Rookie Harris, Dominique S Played in 0 games
Undrafted Rookie Johnson, George DE Played in 0 games
Undrafted Rookie Overbay, Nathan TE Played in 0 games
* = Saints draft pick
# = Browns draft pick
^ = Bengals draft pick
~ = Patriots draft pick
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Way too soon. I think the Saints class is going to be really strong down the line, but they obviously aren't going to all start now.
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Way too soon. I think the Saints class is going to be really strong down the line, but they obviously aren't going to all start now.
You're missing the point of the thread. We are talking about rookie seasons, not careers. Since we are 15 games (94%) of the way through the season we can definitely do that.
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Way too soon. I think the Saints class is going to be really strong down the line, but they obviously aren't going to all start now.
Jimmy Graham has become an absolute stud for us and will only get better. Right now I am loving that draft pick.
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Jimmy Graham has become an absolute stud for us and will only get better. Right now I am loving that draft pick.
What's Charles Brown up to? He was mocked to the Packers in the first all the time pre draft. Then most of us wanted to pick him up with our second round pick.
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I love our rookie haul, but I'm really jealous of the Packers (Sam Shields) and Saints (Jimmy Graham). Those were 2 players that I saw struggle as 1st-year starters at Miami yet knew they would become great players with better coaching.

I'm surprised at how well the Patriots class has contributed. I wasn't very high on any of those Gators going into the draft.
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From an outsider standpoint i think Oakland rookie class is rolling quite well: Lamarr Houston is IMHO one of the better rookies of the year, Rolo McClain is underwhelming so far but is playing solid, Jacoby Ford is a tremendous weapon in that offense and Veldheer is recovering from a slow start AFAIK...


About my Panthers: Everybody know that Clausen is playing like ****. LaFell is progressing quite well after some scary drops (not a big of a surprise, though) at the start of the season. Both David Gettis (5th rd) and Greg Hardy (6th rd) are the best picks so far. Armanti Edwards played like 2 snaps and could turn in one of the worst trades in Panthers' history (in fact it was a pretty bad deal on draft day). Eric Norwood's unnoticed so far, and any DB drafted in the latest rounds (Robert McClain, Jordan Pugh, RJ Stanford) seems to be nothing special. UDFA DT Andre Neblett could prove to be a great rotational guy...
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