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whatever boren left due to, it sure was nice having him here and it's really nice having Zoren here, and it probably will be just as nice have the third Boren here in two years. Hey, the man wanted some gold pants. :D
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Maybe that's what Boren is telling people, but that's not the truth either. He didn't even give Rod a chance. He quit less than two weeks into Spring practices. Sorry, but I don't believe Boren can see into the future. Nine spring practices wasn't enough to tell him that Michigan football was going to be completely irrelevant for the next three years.
No, but it was obviously enough to see that RichRod was a jackass. And maybe an incompetent one. It's not a light decision to give up a full ride to a (formerly) great football school. That your dad played for. And then join your hated rival. Some strong feelings had to have been generated.
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Maybe that's what Boren is telling people, but that's not the truth either. He didn't even give Rod a chance. He quit less than two weeks into Spring practices. Sorry, but I don't believe Boren can see into the future. Nine spring practices wasn't enough to tell him that Michigan football was going to be completely irrelevant for the next three years.
you want to see people looking into the future, go to buckeyeplanet.com and watch how those guys pegged that hire to a T.

it's not really looking in to the future. lots of people saw how bad of a hire that was from day 1.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5...ce-1993/page/1

I provide this list, not because it's good (it's not), but because it does provide a decent question.

Here is my main gripe with the list, how is Rich Rodriguez not the worst Big Ten coach in the last 20 years? Seriously, how? He won almost no games of consequence, his record of 6-18 in the Big Ten is one of the worst in record, and he was THE ******* COACH AT MICHIGAN!! I mean, seriously, how can you compare the Indiana coaching job and the Michigan coaching job. Rich Rod took over a solid program and made it awful. Who else could you say that about?


And my top 5.

1) Rich Rodriguez, Michigan- It's not even close. Total disaster.


2) Bobby Williams, Michigan State- Saban was 23-16 in Big Ten play, D'Antonio is 20-12, John L.Smith was 12-20 but at least he has the excuse of following the even worse Williams at 6-15.


3) Gerry Dinardo/Bill Lynch, Indiana- I'll give Cam Cameron and Terry Hoepner a break, as they at least made Indiana sort of competitive. The other two were just total roadkill.


4) Tim Brewster, Minnesota- Glen Mason was fired because they wanted to recruit better and play in bigger bowl games. Instead they hired this unqualified jackass who failed to win any important games and otherwise made the program look like a joke. Fail.



5) Ron Zook, Illinois- Jim Colletto was bad, and Danny Hope is bad too, but Colletto took over a program that was awful, and Hope has had to follow what was a tremendous coach in Tiller. For that reason, I went with the perrenially underperforming Illini. You could toss a coin between Ron Turner and Ron Zook, but since Zook is the bigger horse's ass, here ya go.
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you want to see people looking into the future, go to buckeyeplanet.com and watch how those guys pegged that hire to a T.

it's not really looking in to the future. lots of people saw how bad of a hire that was from day 1.
You also have people saying that Terrelle Pryor can do no wrong, that it's the NCAA's being ridiculous for suspending the Tat 5 and that Troy Smith would be an amazing pro QB if Baltimore had just given him a chance and saying that Smith is better than Flacco.

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I don't understand what you mean....all of those things are completely accurate. :p
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The fact that Illinois has had 2 winning seasons since Zook has been head coach really is a testament to how much talent they've brought in under him, because they are winning games despite his incompetence. He's such a terrible coach.

Fantastic recruiter though...
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I feel bad for these Iowa kids. Sounds pretty freaking terrible. And some meathead coaches are going to be in deep doodoo if half of this stuff is true.


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Earlier Friday, a parent confirmed to ESPN.com's Joe Schad that tests for illegal drugs administered to the 13 players came back negative, according to a parent briefed on the results.

According to one parent, Ferentz was "blistered" for not returning to Iowa sooner.

"Where were you?" one parent said he asked Ferentz. "How can you be out recruiting other kids? You sat in our living room and told us you'd take care of them."

The parent said Ferentz "was quiet. I believe he is devastated by all this. He has been wonderful. But his mistake was not coming off the road right away."

Some parents are blaming the intensity of a workout conducted Jan. 20 in which a strength and conditioning staff member had players do 100 squats at half their weight capability before pushing sleds.

According to a parent, after a three-week layoff following the Insight Bowl, this was the first workout the players were asked to do.

According to a parent, a strength coach said in a meeting before the sessions that the Hawkeyes had failed to finish games too often last season and that "we'll find out who wants to be here."

There were workouts Thursday and Friday, followed by two days off, then a request Monday for more squats, which resulted in such soreness and cramping that it led to the hospitalizations.

One parent said some players had gained 30 to 50 pounds since entering the hospital because of the amount of fluids that have been forced into their bodies.

The parent said that one player was told he had sustained "20 to 30 percent loss of kidney function and that the damage may or may not be repaired."
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Yup, basically the S&C staff was punishing the team for their level of play this past season and 13 kids were hospitalized from it. Some of the kids may have not done anything over winter break, like Poggi, and that didn't help, but the staff had to know what was going on...they are professionals. I don't care if it was the same exact workout that's been run for years.

As great as Doyle has been over the last 12 years, I really think this justifies him being fired if he was present for the workouts or aware of them...
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Also, the same thing happened to the swim team at South Carolina in 2008.

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/news...cc4c002e0.html

There's also been articles I've seen where it happened to a bunch of kids in Oregon high schools and from military workouts.

Still, not acceptable, but not unprecedented.
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I do work for a recruiting website, so I thought I'd share some info as we turn into the next recruiting season. QB is the only position that commits heavily this early, so without further adieu.
2012 Big Ten Quarterback recruiting update!!

Gunner Kiel, Columbus East (IN)
B1G Teams Currently Offering: Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin
Other Major Offers: Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Missouri, Colorado

-Gunner is the best QB prospect in the Mid-West, but oddly hasn't received a bounty of B1G offers. He's a ESPN150 watch list player, and has received some impressive offers from our hated brethren to the South.

Current Prediction: Tennessee

Philip Nelson, Mankato West (MN)
B1G Offers: Minnesota
Other Major Offers: None

-Philip only has an offer from the hometown Gophers, but he's originally from Wisconsin and his father is a BADger alum. Personally, I think Philip is the 2nd best QB prospect from Minnesota behind Joe Mohlberg, but he's been super productive and he's got great speed for his size. If Wisconsin offers I think he goes there, but for now...

Current Prediction: Minnesota

Zeke Pike, Dixie Heights (KY)
B1G Offers: Indiana, Purdue, Iowa
Other Offers: Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn, Arkansas, Boston College, Cincinnati, North Carolina, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

-Zeke is the last prospect that could be considered "Mid-Western" with a B1G offer, as he's from the Kentucky suburbs of Cincinnati. With his current offer list it seems unlikely he'll end up in the B1G, however, although Notre Dame could get involved and shake things up.

Current Prediction: Kentucky

Bennie Coney, Plant City (FL)
B1G Offers: Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Other Offers: Auburn, Florida State, Virginia Tech, South Florida, Texas Tech..

-Plant City is near Tampa, so if there's a hometown team here it's South Florida. That said, Coney was suspended from his High School team and has some serious issues, so moving away may be in his best interests. I think Michigan is a seriously player here, but for now I'll go with the Cam-mentum and the team that couldn't care less about personal issues.

Current prediction: Auburn

Matt Davis, Klein (TX)
B1G Offers: Iowa, Purdue
Other Offers: Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Auburn, Oklahoma State...

-Davis might be the best junior in Texas despite missing all of last season with an injury, so it's a bit of a wonder why he doesn't have a Texas offer, let alone offers from more B1G schools. I think he's a Horn if they offer, and potentially a shorter Vince Young, but for now I'll say..

Current Prediction: LSU


Jameis Winston, Hueytown (AL)
B1G Offers: Ohio State
Other: Alabama, Auburn, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, Mississippi

-Can Ohio State go into Alabama and take a QB prospect from under their noses? Probably not.

Prediction: Alabama

Tyler Jupiter, Plantation (FL)
B1G Offers: Illinois
Other offers: South Florida, Louisville, Rutgers, Boston College

-Unless one of the Big 3 in Florida offers, I see no reason Zook can't pull some recruiting magic.

Prediction: Illinois

Shane Dillon, El Cajon (CA)
B1G Offers: Ohio State
Other offers: Cincinnati

-If the offer list looks weird to you, it should. Dillon is a skinny dude with great mechanics, but his OSU offer largely stems from his training under George Whitfield Jr., a Tressel disciple.

Prediction: Ohio State

Midwest Quarterbacks with offers from non-Big Ten schools:

-Wes Lunt, Rochester (IL): Boston College
-Maty Mauk, Kenton (OH): Notre Dame, Missouri, Cincinatti
-Brendan Nosovitch, Allentown (PA): Virginia
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I realize it's not listed in his Rivals or Scout pages, but I'm fairly sure Michigan actually recently offered Zeke Pike.
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I realize it's not listed in his Rivals or Scout pages, but I'm fairly sure Michigan actually recently offered Zeke Pike.
Yes we did, it would be nice if we are able to pick him up but we have a lot of competition trying to get him. He also has great size(6-5 225lbs) and from what I've seen is that he actually has decent speed for a pro style QB.
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Brendan Nosovitch just got offered by PSU I believe.
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Do you have links for either of those two guys?
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Do you have links for either of those two guys?
It was mentioned in a thread on MGoblog. People over there are usually pretty accurate in terms of who's been offered at least, but I don't have a real source, which is why I said I was only fairly sure.
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http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/shawn-co...rizona-western

Michigan WR Shawn Conway will play at Arizona Western next year to get his academics in order.
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Michigan WR Shawn Conway will play at Arizona Western next year to get his academics in order.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling he'll never play a down at Michigan. Too bad, because I really liked him and thought he was pretty underrated. I'd still love him to make it to Ann Arbor at some point.
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I love Fred Jackson: "He (Thomas Rawls) is like Anthony [Thomas] and Chris [Perry], only faster."

He couldn't even make it one day without the ridiculous hyperbole. He's said almost the same thing about Mike Cox and Fitzgerald Toussaint.
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I love Fred Jackson: "He (Thomas Rawls) is like Anthony [Thomas] and Chris [Perry], only faster."

He couldn't even make it one day without the ridiculous hyperbole. He's said almost the same thing about Mike Cox and Fitzgerald Toussaint.
"I saw Mark Ingram and Thomas is like him, but he's faster. He ran a 10.65 100 in track."

Oh Freddy, how I love you.
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bf51, do you still follow Akron football at all. If so, what do you think about Michigan hiring Curt Mallory?
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Mallory wasn't really all that good at Illinois, and Akron's defense was atrocious. Mattison will be calling the plays which will help, but the last couple years wherever Mallory has been, the pass D has been non existent.
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I think Shawn Watson will be Fired from Nebraska. Lets hope.
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I think Shawn Watson will be Fired from Nebraska. Lets hope.
It's cool to see a Nebraska fan in here :) Welcome!
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It's cool to see a Nebraska fan in here :) Welcome!
Thanks. I thinks its a win/win for both Nebraska and the Big 10.

Nebraska gets away from Texas who rules everything in the Big12
The Big 10 gets a Team that has great Tradition and can now have a Championship Game.
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