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Old 12-29-2011, 05:20 PM    (permalink
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All Osi is going to do is take away snaps from JPP. JPP is clearly the better player right now, and JPP thrives in the RE spot. Osi only plays RE, he never moves anywhere else, which means we'll move JPP to other parts of the dline where he is far less effective.

So just to accomodate Osi, we're going to move our best pass rusher out of his best natural position for most of the game.

So yeah, it's going to hurt us.

If JPP started and played the entire season at RE, I wouldn't be surprised if he wound up with the most sacks in the league. He was a monster there when Osi didnt play to start the season, and the 3 games he was there while Osi was hurt he was DPOW twice.

He's much much better at RE than anywhere else, and now we're going to move him so whiny Osi can play.

I don't like it. This will probably be Osi's last game as a Giant anyway, unless we win and make the playoffs.

Thanks for the memories Osi. We love ya, but moving on is best for both sides. Hook us up with a 2nd round pick that we can use to move up in the 1st with and draft Keuchly with.
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Osi has already come out and said JPP should start and even Fewell isn't dumb enough to take JPP off the field in the most important game of the year. Osi is going to snaps away from Tollefson not JPP. Also, Osi has moved around all over the line this year just like last year and just like his whole career. He doesn't only play RDE. Let's not forget Osi's production in the passing game this year with 7 sacks in only 8 games played. Yes he a liability in the run game now but we're probably going to use mostly in passing situations in this game. I know everyone is still not happy with the **** he pulled but let's no pretend a great pass rusher is actually a liability. It's just not the case one bit.
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Speaking of which, did anyone catch the Giants/Patriots Super Bowl special on ESPN on Christmas?

I wish I DVR'd it. It was great, had a lot of player interviews, and they had a session where Spags and McDaniels both were on the whiteboard breaking down plays and what each of their units did on each particular play.

It was a great special, and after watching the special it really made you miss Spags even more bc of how brilliant he was.

Just to throw some gas on the fire lol.
Just a suggestion, but you should buy the DVD with Strahan's voice (idk if there are any other voices) it is amazing.

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I don't like that Osi is playing. I think that hurts us more than it helps us. And if Nicks and Ballard don't play, we're screwed.
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Yeah it really hurts to have a pass rusher like Osi. Let's not be foolish here. The defense hasn't stopped the run all that well with or without Osi.

It hurts if he overshoots the qb and makes the pocket huge, he really kills us with that. He does have a payoff, but it is such a gamble.
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He doesn't overshoot the QB every time. It's just one of the many rushes that he uses. I don't see you guys complaining when he gets his strips sacks and we recover the fumble. Let's not make Osi out to be some mediocre player.
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He's not a mediocre player. Most teams would love to have him. It's just that we have a better player in JPP and Osi is going to reduce JPP's snaps at RE.
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He's not a mediocre player. Most teams would love to have him. It's just that we have a better player in JPP and Osi is going to reduce JPP's snaps at RE.
JPP is going to be on the field enough where the Cowboys will feel his impact. Even when Osi was out they were still moving JPP in to different spots and not just RE. It's not going to limit anything and we're putting another good player on the field. I just don't understand how getting one of your best players on the field can be looked at as a bad thing.
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JPP is going to be on the field enough where the Cowboys will feel his impact. Even when Osi was out they were still moving JPP in to different spots and not just RE. It's not going to limit anything and we're putting another good player on the field. I just don't understand how getting one of your best players on the field can be looked at as a bad thing.
That's the problem. JPP is significantly better at RE than other spots on the line or when we stand him up. He's much more comfortable at RE and we reduce his effectiveness by taking him out of that spot.

I just don't like how we're going to reduce the effectiveness of our best pass rusher to get Osi on the field.

If anything Osi should move around, not JPP, but that won't happen.
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Yes it will and JPP was going to move around regardless of Osi being back or not. He's also significantly better at RDE because that's where he gets his most snaps. Moving him around is good for the team and maybe we can find a mismatch on the Cowboys line.
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JPP scares me. He's the reason why teams draft for upside so much, because look at it when it pans out. JPP is destroying people and all you hear is "wait until he figures the game out". Guys like him are worth the risk and bust factor because you can't scheme for him. There isn't much we can do except consistently put 2 on him(which we won't) and even then it makes us a liability elsewhere.



Free is a terrible, terrible matchup against Free. Tyron gets handled too but at least he has the feet and athleticism to buy some extra time, plus he'll be on the left next year so I'd rather he get the reps.


Been fun to see him develop, he should hook up with Strahan in the off-season because I have no doubt he'd want to help him with this technique and get him a few moves. Then again, when your bull rush destroys people what's the point lol.
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JPP is an absolute monster and it's scary to think about his upside. I'm so happy that I was sooooooooooooo wrong about that pick.
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Jughead, what are your thoughts on the Osi thing?
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He should play sparingly. Maybe 20 snaps. And I think he should only play RE when he does play. Move JPP for him. Osi is less versatile. I don't agree that JPP can only get after the QB from RE. If anything I think Osi is more useless anywhere but RE.
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Not having Ballard is a huge blow. Huge blow.
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It definitely is but the 3 WR's are just going to have to step up and their thing.

Defensively don't forget we didn't have Phillips last game so we have that going for us at least.
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Whats the O-Line supposed to look like this week?

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It's going to be exactly what we saw in the Jets game. Baas sucked in the 1st QR but I actually thought he improved as the game went on and the line settled down and did a decent job the rest of the game.
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So far, Baas has been a huge disappointment. Hopefully he starts earning that paycheck soon.
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I just wanted to tell you guys congrats. The bottom line is the cowboys don't have an offensive line that is good enough to compete in the playoffs. We didn't deserve to go to the tournament. You guys earned it and we didn't.

I will be rooting for you. I want you to keep the championship in the NFC East. I would love to see you beat the Packers down. I am tired of hearing about them.

Again-congratulations! Make us proud. If we can't win the super bowl, I want to lose out to the guys that do win it.
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I just wanted to tell you guys congrats. The bottom line is the cowboys don't have an offensive line that is good enough to compete in the playoffs. We didn't deserve to go to the tournament. You guys earned it and we didn't.

I will be rooting for you. I want you to keep the championship in the NFC East. I would love to see you beat the Packers down. I am tired of hearing about them.

Again-congratulations! Make us proud. If we can't win the super bowl, I want to lose out to the guys that do win it.
I second this. Eli is the truth. In fact, i'm glad he did what he did the past 2 games on us because it shows the front office guys like terence newman need to get the f*ck out lol.

Good win, unlike Jets fan the giants are a classy organization. Good luck in the playoffs.
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I just wanted to tell you guys congrats. The bottom line is the cowboys don't have an offensive line that is good enough to compete in the playoffs. We didn't deserve to go to the tournament. You guys earned it and we didn't.

I will be rooting for you. I want you to keep the championship in the NFC East. I would love to see you beat the Packers down. I am tired of hearing about them.

Again-congratulations! Make us proud. If we can't win the super bowl, I want to lose out to the guys that do win it.
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I second this. Eli is the truth. In fact, i'm glad he did what he did the past 2 games on us because it shows the front office guys like terence newman need to get the f*ck out lol.

Good win, unlike Jets fan the giants are a classy organization. Good luck in the playoffs.
Thank you guys. Classy of you to congratulate us, and I feel the same way about your team. good team with classy players who deserve success way more than for example Philly.

The Cowboys are really not that far away from being a great team. One more year in Rob's defense, and you will be much improved. But you desperately need one or two new corners, and some help on the interior O-line. That's certainly doable this offseason!
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Thanks guys. That was a tough break for the Cowboys. I hope Romo silenced some critics with his gutsy performance last night. I've always been a Romo fan.

Can't hate Romo, he's a class act and a great person off the field.
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As for Osi, I have to man up and admit I was wrong. He came up huge. He did 2 things that I never expected him to do:

1. He was willing to come off the bench and be a situational player. Never thought Osi's ego would allow for that.

2. He was willing to move around the dline so JPP can stay at his natural RE position. I never ever thought he'd do that. I was shocked to see him line up at LE.

Bc he was willing to do those 2 things, it was a huge boost for our defense. Hopefully we stick with this formula and use him situationally from now on the same way.
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Thanks guys. That was a tough break for the Cowboys. I hope Romo silenced some critics with his gutsy performance last night. I've always been a Romo fan.

Can't hate Romo, he's a class act and a great person off the field.
I have no complaints about Romo. But just to clarify my position-I don't think this was a tough break for my team. You guys outclassed us from the opening kickoff. You earned it. We didn't lose on a tough break. We got outclassed and outplayed.

You can keep your chin up, sir. You did not win because of a lucky play or two. You beat our buts down all night. It was tough to watch, but we had it coming for a long time.

Now go beat Green Bay! Please!!!!

And Philly sucks. I hate those guys...
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