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Locking up Manningham long term is something I would not put a high priority on.
I would if he has another season like last year. Who else plays Z? He is our homerun threat. If he walks, we have only one credible WR who is our X.
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I'm so angry I'm shaking. WTF Reese. This is his first major blunder as GM.

I don't care how you try to sugarcoat this, you're telling me we couldn't fork over 4 mill, 2 mill guaranteed?

BULL F'IN ****.

Reese totally screwed himself over bc of this. I understand not wanting to pay big money for a possession receiver, but this is a big blow regardless of how you try to sugarcoat it.
I'm with you big time!!! My favorite player just went to the ******* Eagles because we were cheap as ****.
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Look at the schematics of it. We're done. Philly is going to kill us now.

You put Nmandi on Nicks. He's done.

Even if you think Asante sucks, you can double up Mario. Done.

DRC on our slot. Done.

Do you even have to cover our TE? Done.

Who the hell is Eli gonna throw the ball to? We're done.


Get Moss. That evens the playing field.
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I'm with you big time!!! My favorite player just went to the ******* Eagles because we were cheap as ****.
I didn't think my hatred for the Eagles, the city of Philadelphia, and the state of Pennsylvania could ever grow any more.

But it just ****** grew like a tumor. I'm so angry right now.
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Look at the schematics of it. We're done. Philly is going to kill us now.

You put Nmandi on Nicks. He's done.

Even if you think Asante sucks, you can double up Mario. Done.

DRC on our slot. Done.

Do you even have to cover our TE? Done.

Who the hell is Eli gonna throw the ball to? We're done.


Get Moss. That evens the playing field.


Dude, let the season play out. Our OL needs to create holes to run the ball. From there we go, it's not like we are the Browns or some scumbag last place team.

Let's see how our draft picks pan out and how they can be used before we go with the sky is falling routine.
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Dude, let the season play out. Our OL needs to create holes to run the ball. From there we go, it's not like we are the Browns or some scumbag last place team.

Let's see how our draft picks pan out and how they can be used before we go with the sky is falling routine.
The sky isn't falling. We're still a damn good team.

But there's no denying that the Eagles are a better team right now. And my mindstate is always SB or bust. I think we have the talent that we could win the SB.

But now with what Philly has done this offseason, and what we didn't do, I think we're done. We'll make the playoffs sure, but that's all we are.
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Get Moss. That evens the playing field.

For the first time since you started pimping Moss, I actually agree. We need some help now. I can't ******* stand losin two times to the ******* Eagles again. We need a highly motivated Randy Moss to whoop the Eagles.
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We also have no 3rd WR now that any team could care about. Reese better sign Cotchery.
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I love Cotchery. Very underrated player. A true gentleman too. Only Jet I liked. You could tell he hated a lot of the antics of his team in his weekly interviews on WFAN.
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I love Cotchery. Very underrated player. A true gentleman too. Only Jet I liked. You could tell he hated a lot of the antics of his team in his weekly interviews on WFAN.
Yeah he's a good guy. Smith was also the perfect Giant. I just don't get this from either side right now.
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The sky isn't falling. We're still a damn good team.

But there's no denying that the Eagles are a better team right now. And my mindstate is always SB or bust. I think we have the talent that we could win the SB.

But now with what Philly has done this offseason, and what we didn't do, I think we're done. We'll make the playoffs sure, but that's all we are.
Yea they are. At least on paper anyways. In order to prove that they are this year, they have to sweep us again. Every year is a new year, with the breaks of the game. You never know with injuries what can happen. If Vick goes down, then Vince Young comes in.

You gotta let the season run its course and see what we do. We gotta hope all our first round picks do something on defense. What about that?

Kiwi
Ross
JPP
Kenny P

Hopefully Amukamara can get healthy and be eased in..

it would help if we get production from our 2nd rounders too... Austin, and Joseph and Clint S.

We joke about that every draft time about defense. How about we finally get some real sick production out of these guys? Now we can see how good Fewell is.
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If Smith comes back early and is 100% then blame the doctors for bad intel. Unless people expect our GMs to go to medical school too.
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I would also be a fan of signing Cotchery. Really liked listening to him on WFAN. Smart guy, possession guy. Not unlike Steve Smith.

This just sucks. I love Steve Smith. I don't see how you can't offer the guy a ONE YEAR DEAL for that little of money. Even if you don't think he can contribute until later in the year, it'd still be worth it.

Man, if we thought Eli had a ton of INT's because of WR screw ups and drops last year - without Smith it's going to be even worse.
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If Smith comes back early and is 100% then blame the doctors for bad intel. Unless people expect our GMs to go to medical school too.
Well we discussed this and that would have been fine if he came back that late. It's when we would have needed him the most.
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Well we discussed this and that would have been fine if he came back that late. It's when we would have needed him the most.
I have to admit, it's interesting see giants fans implode on various MB. But we are not going to overpay for avg talent, or hurt talent. Manningham and Nicks are going to get their contracts. So we are not going to blow our wad on a guy with 1 good season and a very serious injury. Emotions aside, it's a sound business decision. I like Smith, but I don't want us to give him a big deal with a knee like that. However, I didn't think the Eagles would step in. It's a risk on their part, but then again it's a one year deal.

Now we have to see if someone else can step up.
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One of Barden, Hixon, Thomas, Jernigan and Cruz have to step up and contribute on offense this season.
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One question: how much will this affect our offense when we face the Eagles D this year. I mean, Steve Smith basically knows our offense as good as anyone, He was always in the right place at the right time. Is this something that can possibly come back to haunt us as well?
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One question: how much will this affect our offense when we face the Eagles D this year. I mean, Steve Smith basically knows our offense as good as anyone, He was always in the right place at the right time. Is this something that can possibly come back to haunt us as well?
I think so. I mentioned this in the free agency thread. Smith definitely knew the offense second best next to Eli.
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...he got a one year deal. This wasn't a 7 year deal with 30 mil guaranteed.

And Steve Smith isn't an average player. He's a damn good WR. Injured? Yes. But that didn't stop the Eagles from signing him. He was also signed for one year with two million guaranteed.

That's nothing for a guy with Smith's talent.
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One question: how much will this affect our offense when we face the Eagles D this year. I mean, Steve Smith basically knows our offense as good as anyone, He was always in the right place at the right time. Is this something that can possibly come back to haunt us as well?
No, because you install plays during the week for the gameplan. That goes on the callsheet. No player has access to it. All he knows are the WR rules, that alone means nothing.
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No, because you install plays during the week for the gameplan. That goes on the callsheet. No player has access to it. All he knows are the WR rules, that alone means nothing.
He still knows the playbook though. He may not know the plays we're going to call that game but he knows enough. Remember when Pierce played the Skins that first game and he knew almost everything they were going to do. He even came out and said knowing the playbook for both sides was a big help.
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What are you talking about?

It wasn't a big deal or a risk at all. He signed a 1 year deal. This was basically the Giants saying they don't want him back.

If we can't sign the guy to a 1 year deal in good faith, then that's on us.
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...he got a one year deal. This wasn't a 7 year deal with 30 mil guaranteed.

And Steve Smith isn't an average player. He's a damn good WR. Injured? Yes. But that didn't stop the Eagles from signing him. He was also signed for one year with two million guaranteed.

That's nothing for a guy with Smith's talent.
We weren't going to pay that much for a guy whose knee was diagnosed as far off still. It doesn't matter who it is. Plus you never know how things play out..

we were not going to pay Nicks, Mario AND Smith big time contracts. We do know Nicks will get it barring serious injury. Mario had a breakout season and showed up as a homerun threat. It was too bad Smith got hurt, because he could have been it interesting with a big time contract. So you never know how things play out in life.

I think now Mario and Nicks get their contracts. Smith is a great WR, but he is not a homerun threat. I respect what Smith did, but I'd rather this happen then not pay the guy if he produced. I don't fault Reese for paying a guy with a messed up knee. It's a business decision based on logic, which Reese is showing us..

Not over paying for avg talent AND hurt talent. It doesn't matter who you are. He stared down Strahan AND now Osi. Reese is a good GM, so let's see how this plays out.
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Not happy, but I'll let the season play out before I make judgement.
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No, because you install plays during the week for the gameplan. That goes on the callsheet. No player has access to it. All he knows are the WR rules, that alone means nothing.
Okay, thanks. Really hope that's the case. I have this nightmare scenario playing in my head right now where Asante Samuel picks off a pass when we look poised to finally win against the Eagles, and afterwards crediting Smith with giving him pointers on the Giants offense.

Damn, this is upsetting.
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