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Old 06-28-2013, 06:36 PM    (permalink
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Youre the average age here. A lot of 25s here, so you're in the norm age bracket.
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I'm 24 not that anyone cares.
I care LT! You're the only other reasonable Knicks fan afterall.
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Ouch, that hurts.
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Not Russian, but that was weird for a little. Is it your mom or your dad who's the Greek?
My Dad is the Greek one.
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Do you speak greek or know any? You're username is a greek curse word! hahahaha One of the few I know from my greek friend.
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Damn you guys are youngons! haha, it's ok though it makes this section that much more diverse.
It is interesting, everyone will have a different perspective of the team.

I have to admit being a Giants fan in the 90s was tough going. There were soo many bad decisions that I hated.

George Young was a very good GM, but he was awful in managing the salary cap and free agency. But we did have a succession of experience with Accorsi being mentored by Young and in turn Accorsi mentored Reese. Now we are one of the best.
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Ok it is a little quiet, so time for bold predictions

who are your top 5 players that you believe will have breakout performances this year?



who are your top 5 veterans do you think will rebound and have much improved performances this year?



why do you think this will happen with these players?
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Do you speak greek or know any? You're username is a greek curse word! hahahaha One of the few I know from my greek friend.
I can read and write Greek, but I can't really hold a conversation.

I am fluent in English and Spanish. Russian I can understand perfectly but can't speak either.
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I am fluent in English and Spanish. Russian I can understand perfectly but can't speak either.
Wow, very impressive. You should practice speaking Greek. You have the other components down in reading and writing. I just recognized your username once you said you were Greek, because that's a greek curse word, lol.
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It is interesting, everyone will have a different perspective of the team.

I have to admit being a Giants fan in the 90s was tough going. There were soo many bad decisions that I hated.

George Young was a very good GM, but he was awful in managing the salary cap and free agency. But we did have a succession of experience with Accorsi being mentored by Young and in turn Accorsi mentored Reese. Now we are one of the best.
Yeah it was very tough. Once the league and rules changed he didn't adjust to it very well, and that led us down a road of darkness. EA was a decent GM who will be known for the Eli trade. That's his legacy, but Reese is an excellent find an I am glad he was developed and brought up the ranks.
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Yeah it was very tough. Once the league and rules changed he didn't adjust to it very well, and that led us down a road of darkness. EA was a decent GM who will be known for the Eli trade. That's his legacy, but Reese is an excellent find an I am glad he was developed and brought up the ranks.
EA was average at best. Sure Eli was a great pick but we had so many busts


Shaun Williams and Jeremy Shockey while not busts like the others were very poor picks at best.
Neither played a premium position and we had so many needs at other positions (can you say DE).
Don't get me started ob how many busts we drafted at WR and RB.

Outsude if those two we had guys like Dayne, Joseph. Free agent signings like Holmes while letting our very solid oline walk..

Part of the problem was Fassel. I really wanted Belicheck in 1997. Mind you I wanted him in 1991 to replace Parcells.

I went back through my notes from way back and it us so interesting to see what I thought we should gave done back then

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I don't think you can say Williams or Shockey were poor picks. Both played at a very high level for us and we did get in the playoffs multiple teams under EA with 1 SB appearance.
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Shockey was not a poor pick. The guy brought passion and energy to our crowd and fan base. We haven't had that since he left until now with Victor Cruz. People went nuts when Shockey made plays.


EA had a near .500 record overall. I blame those drafts a man named Marv Sutherland who was a Jerry Reese or Marc Ross. The Shockey draft was his last draft.

Then EA promoted Reese. I have this article on my stat dump thread.

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I wasn't a huge EA fan. I give him credit for 2 moves:

1. The Eli trade.
2. The belief that you can never have too many pass rushers.

Those 2 moves basically built the blueprint for our superbowls. So I give him a lot of credit for that.

But I didn't think he was a very good drafter, and I think he fell in love with names too much. Was too active in FA for my liking. Gambled on injury prone players too much.
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Also gave Collins another shot which was a success.
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I wasn't a huge EA fan. I give him credit for 2 moves:

1. The Eli trade.
2. The belief that you can never have too many pass rushers.

Those 2 moves basically built the blueprint for our superbowls. So I give him a lot of credit for that.

But I didn't think he was a very good drafter, and I think he fell in love with names too much. Was too active in FA for my liking. Gambled on injury prone players too much.
I am not sure on the belief that you can never have too many pass rushers, I think that came later. Just look at the late 90s and early 2000s where we had Strahan and .....
Since 2003 that did change though
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Shockey was not a poor pick. The guy brought passion and energy to our crowd and fan base. We haven't had that since he left until now with Victor Cruz. People went nuts when Shockey made plays.


EA had a near .500 record overall. I blame those drafts a man named Marv Sutherland who was a Jerry Reese or Marc Ross. The Shockey draft was his last draft.

Then EA promoted Reese. I have this article on my stat dump thread.

It went :

Sutherland
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Marc Ross
I hear what you are saying but I don't buy it. We had much bigger needs for example DE in 2002. blind freddy knew we had a major need at DE and we had a solid offense, so the solution is another TE? give me a break.

For me selling tickets is not a reason to compromise on building a football team properly.

I don't agree on the .500 level either. How many mid-late round picks contributed in significant ways.

Collins was solid, but lets not forget we got him on the scrap head.
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Here are the drafts under EA

2006
1 Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College
2 Sinorice Moss Miami (FL)
3 Gerris Wilkinson Georgia Tech
4 Barry Cofield Northwestern
4 Guy Whimper East Carolina
5 Charlie Peprah Alabama
7 Gerrick McPhearson Maryland

2005
2 Corey Webster Louisiana State
3 Justin Tuck Notre Dame
4 Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois
6 Eric Moore Florida State

2004
1 Philip Rivers North Carolina State
2 Chris Snee Boston College
4 Reggie Torbor Auburn
5 Gibril Wilson Tennessee
6 Jamaar Taylor Texas A&M
7 Drew Strojny Duke
7 Isaac Hilton Hampton

2003
1 William Joseph Miami (FL)
2 Osi Umenyiora Troy State
3 Vishante Shiancoe Morgan State
4 Roderick Babers Texas
5 David Diehl Illinois
6 Willie Ponder Southeast Missouri State
6 Frank Walker Tuskegee
6 David Tyree Syracuse
7 Charles Drake Michigan
7 Wayne Lucier Colorado
7 Kevin Walter Eastern Michigan

2002
1 Jeremy Shockey Miami (FL)
2 Tim Carter Auburn
3 Jeff Hatch Pennsylvania
5 Nick Greisen Wisconsin
6 Wesley Mallard Oregon
7 Daryl Jones Miami (FL)
7 Quincy Monk North Carolina

2001
1 Will Allen Syracuse
3 William Peterson Western Illinois
4 Cedric Scott Southern Mississippi
4 Jesse Palmer Florida
5 John Markham Vanderbilt
5 Jonathan Carter Troy State
7 Ross Kolodziej Wisconsin

2000
1 Ron Dayne Wisconsin
2 Cornelius Griffin Alabama
3 Ron Dixon Lambuth (TN)
4 Brandon Short Penn State
5 Ralph Brown Nebraska
6 Dhani Jones Michigan
7 Jeremiah Parker California

1999
1 Luke Petitgout Notre Dame
2 Joe Montgomery Ohio State
3 Dan Campbell Texas A&M
4 Sean Bennett Northwestern
5 John McLaughlin California
5 Mike Rosenthal Notre Dame
6 Lyle West San Jose State
6 Andre Weathers Michigan
7 Ryan Hale Arkansas
7 O.J. Childress Clemson

1998
1 Shaun Williams UCLA
2 Joe Jurevicius Penn State
3 Brian Alford Purdue
5 Toby Myles Jackson State
6 Todd Pollack Boston College
7 Ben Fricke Houston

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He had some good drafts. Some bad ones too. Anytime youre GM that long though you're gonna have some misses. From 2003 onward he was money.
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He had some good drafts. Some bad ones too. Anytime youre GM that long though you're gonna have some misses. From 2003 onward he was money.
thats true for sure

My issue is that he neglected several key positions at the expense of others.

EAs drafts after 2003 were decent (with a few exceptions) but that may be more due to Reese.

EA did have some average free agencies though as well

I am tempted to go back through my notes at the time and see what differences I would have ideally made.
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He had some good drafts. Some bad ones too. Anytime youre GM that long though you're gonna have some misses. From 2003 onward he was money.
And still a lot of good players found in the drafts before then. Hell we'd kill for someone like Greisen, Short, or Jones at LB right now.
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That 1997 draft was awesome
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That 1997 draft was awesome
The 1997 was George Young, not EA

Even then I had issues with it, we could have done better.
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