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Old 09-24-2013, 07:06 PM    (permalink
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There's not a single worse move we could make than trading JPP, other than trading Eli.
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There's not a single worse move we could make than trading JPP, other than trading Eli.
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Plus it's not like we're even that far from being rebuilt. We've got JPP, Moore, Hankins, Jacquain, Prince, Hosley and Brown as youngies on D, Eli, Cruz, Nicks and Randle on O, and Pugh and Beatty along the OL. Add a stud C/OG, another quality LB, S and CB and all of our holes are patched.
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Not saying you guys don't have a chance to turn things around. You very well could. But it's actually pretty common to see teams coming off recent Super Bowl wins to face a rapid collapse. Normally due to guys getting signed for big money elsewhere, stars aging, and combined with the fact that those teams pick late in each round of the draft.

I think your best bet is to tank this year, have a great draft, release dead weight, make some trades (Eli, JPP could net a huge haul) and make a key FA signing or two. Follow the Colts pattern. ie. Trade Eli to the Vikings or Raiders for mutliple picks. Otherwise, I have a feeling it might be a while before the Giants are truly competitive again. I think some coaching changes are due as well.

Otherwise your climb back might take decades if you try to salvage something that's not there. The Cowboys faced their decline after the 90s SBs and we haven't done **** since. We never pulled the right strings.
Are you trolling man? Trade Eli?
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Plus it's not like we're even that far from being rebuilt. We've got JPP, Moore, Hankins, Jacquain, Prince, Hosley and Brown as youngies on D, Eli, Cruz, Nicks and Randle on O, and Pugh and Beatty along the OL. Add a stud C/OG, another quality LB, S and CB and all of our holes are patched.
Just hanging onto despair if you ask me. JPP is a shell of himself and his best year are behind him. Moore and Hankins could be a big part of the future, but it's still early for that. You rapped off some keeper names, but you're still ignoring the truth. You're not completely dearth of talent, but let's not pretend you only have a few holes.

The good thing is Eli can help you guys overcome a lot of it. The bad part is that makes it tough to rebuild quickly.
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Are you trolling man? Trade Eli?
If you guys don't turn it around. Yeah, I would think about tanking and drafting a QB. Getting a bucket of high picks for Eli and starting over with a new coaching regime.
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JPP's working his way back from surgery and getting stronger, more flexible and more confident in his back every week. Once he's back in form our only hole on D will be at LB and at deep safety, a healthy Stevie Brown or a FA Jarius Byrd addresses things at safety, and quality LBs like we need are found every year on day two of the draft.

Offensively we have even less holes, namely just at the interior OL, a position that is again fixed very quickly if we can find the right stud, like Alex Mack.

This team has holes, but this team also has a ton of talent at the most important positions, QB, WR, OT, DE and DB.
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Sounds like the Hynocerous might be done for the year.
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Sounds like the Hynocerous might be done for the year.
He's been pretty bad the last few games, but I mean could our run game possibly get any worse?

Too bad we didn't go after Leach in the offseason would have been nice for Wilson.
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JPP's working his way back from surgery and getting stronger, more flexible and more confident in his back every week. Once he's back in form our only hole on D will be at LB and at deep safety, a healthy Stevie Brown or a FA Jarius Byrd addresses things at safety, and quality LBs like we need are found every year on day two of the draft.

Offensively we have even less holes, namely just at the interior OL, a position that is again fixed very quickly if we can find the right stud, like Alex Mack.

This team has holes, but this team also has a ton of talent at the most important positions, QB, WR, OT, DE and DB.
OK sir. Your faith is admirable.

As for Byrd, he has plantar fasciaitis in both feet. You can recover from that, but it just sounds like a FA signing destined to bust. I don't like the Safety FA class next offseason. ...and as for the draft... STAY AWAY from Antone Exum. He's going to be wearing a Star on his helmet! ;)
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It's not really faith. We have one of the best QBs in the NFL not named Peyton, Brady, Brees or Rodgers, we have one of the best WR trios in the league for him and a good pair of OTs on an OL in the middle of being rebuilt. Offensively we've got a ton of talent at everything except the interior OL.

Our pass rush is weak, but that's what happens when your star is getting back into form and your second best pass rusher is a rookie who's still not back from an injury. Our LBs other than Jacquain suck, but that's fine, we don't use many anyway and we still play the run well. The secondary is good as well as long as the Webster/Ross/Thomas trio are decent across from Prince.

This team has a lot of talent already here, we've just got some big issues that have crippled the team so far, namely our OL and our pass rush, the pass rush is something that'll improve a lot with health, the OL...well that's an issue, but it's an issue that one stud and one competent starter fix, and there just so happens to be a stud who's likely to hit FA.
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Trading away a franchise QB in his prime is probably the dumbest thing ever. Look at the past couple seasons. Eli has put us on his back and made us competitive. Have a couple good drafts, a couple good FA pick ups and we could easily be a SB contender again. You're way off on this, D. We have a lot of young talent. We just need to plug some key areas. If our offensive line gets back into form we could easily have a MUCH better offense, crappy running backs and all.

You're acting like we're as bad as Jacksonville. We are not that bad. We've won two super bowls in the past four years. One as recently as two years ago. If anything, the Cowboys and Eagles need to blow it up. Mediocre success with almost no substantial playoff push.

We have some players to cut, some new bodies to bring in, but we really aren't too far off. Plus we have a QB who makes everyone significantly better.
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Yeah, if JR just repeats what he's already done for us twice, we can squeeze at least another SB out of Eli's career, and that's worth a lot more than jump starting our rebuild with a metric ton of picks. I mean how many firsts would it be? 3? 4? Even then man, you just don't trade a HOF QB in his prime.
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If you guys don't turn it around. Yeah, I would think about tanking and drafting a QB. Getting a bucket of high picks for Eli and starting over with a new coaching regime.
The Colts, you cited them as an example, didn't have a choice in the matter. They basically got extremely lucky. Had their aging franchise QB miss an entire season the year before the next once every 8 year QB was coming out. There are no QBs like Luck coming out anytime soon.
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It's not really faith. We have one of the best QBs in the NFL not named Peyton, Brady, Brees or Rodgers, we have one of the best WR trios in the league for him and a good pair of OTs on an OL in the middle of being rebuilt. Offensively we've got a ton of talent at everything except the interior OL.

Our pass rush is weak, but that's what happens when your star is getting back into form and your second best pass rusher is a rookie who's still not back from an injury. Our LBs other than Jacquain suck, but that's fine, we don't use many anyway and we still play the run well. The secondary is good as well as long as the Webster/Ross/Thomas trio are decent across from Prince.

This team has a lot of talent already here, we've just got some big issues that have crippled the team so far, namely our OL and our pass rush, the pass rush is something that'll improve a lot with health, the OL...well that's an issue, but it's an issue that one stud and one competent starter fix, and there just so happens to be a stud who's likely to hit FA.
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We're going to have over 20 new faces on our 53 man roster in 2014. You only have 7 draft picks. We're pretty much going to have to be players in FA even if we don't prefer to be.

I personally don't like FA and believe in the draft, but when you have that many holes, you don't really have a choice.
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No he didn't. We're gunna have a lot of change, but that'll be around our talented core. We're gunna need to rebuild the interior OL because Baas has been a bust, Snee and Diehl are washed up, and Booty is mediocre. We'll need to rework the TE position so we're not depending on just Robinson to take care of that for us. We'll need to replace most of the LB corps and fill some gaps in teh secondary depending on who stays and who goes, while also refilling the DL around JPP, Moore and big Hank.

There will be a lot of new faces, but that's because we have a lot of pricey deadweight that'll be moving on, and a few legitimate holes to fill. Not because we don't have a talented core.
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No he didn't. We're gunna have a lot of change, but that'll be around our talented core. We're gunna need to rebuild the interior OL because Baas has been a bust, Snee and Diehl are washed up, and Booty is mediocre. We'll need to rework the TE position so we're not depending on just Robinson to take care of that for us. We'll need to replace most of the LB corps and fill some gaps in teh secondary depending on who stays and who goes, while also refilling the DL around JPP, Moore and big Hank.

There will be a lot of new faces, but that's because we have a lot of pricey deadweight that'll be moving on, and a few legitimate holes to fill. Not because we don't have a talented core.
Not saying you don't have core pieces in place. I just think you have a ton of fixes to make and I don't see a quick turn around without some drastic moves. Yeah, trading Eli is probably way too drastic at this point. Still very early in the season and you guys are notorious for bad starts before finding your groove. My thought process was based on if you guys ended up not being able to turn it around. Every loss that builds up will open up ideas that never existed before. We shall see how crazy this NFL season turns out.
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Well care to explain what you think they are? Cause we've got just about as many holes to fill as the Cowboys do and we have much more reason to hold onto Eli and JPP than you guys do Romo and Ware seeing as our duo have won stuff for us and JPP is so much younger than Ware.

Even if we tanked enough to get Clowney trading Eli would be stupid. We have a HOF QB in his prime, we have three excellent receivers for him to utilize, we've been rebuilding our OL and defense on the go and are a year or two away from completing both of those tasks, so why the hell would we blow everything up by trading Eli?

It's not like he's 35 where he might start slowing down in a couple of years, he's still just 31, the giants still have a good 5 years of top notch play out of Eli in which to give him a SB caliber team to add another ring. With the pieces already in place and what the JRs have done in previous rebuild, that's a very safe bet.

The higher our pick this year, the better a core piece we add to the mix around Eli. If we are bad enough for Clowney we'd be handing Eli a pass rushing trio as good as any he's ever had. Add an Alex Mack in FA and solid draft/fa the rest of the way and that's a team that can win a SB next year.

That said, I still assume we'll win at least 7 games and probably win the division, so all of this will end up moo.

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Well care to explain what you think they are? Cause we've got just about as many holes to fill as the Cowboys do and we have much more reason to hold onto Eli and JPP than you guys do Romo and Ware seeing as our duo have won stuff for us and JPP is so much younger than Ware.

Even if we tanked enough to get Clowney trading Eli would be stupid. We have a HOF QB in his prime, we have three excellent receivers for him to utilize, we've been rebuilding our OL and defense on the go and are a year or two away from completing both of those tasks, so why the hell would we blow everything up by trading Eli?

It's not like he's 35 where he might start slowing down in a couple of years, he's still just 31, the giants still have a good 5 years of top notch play out of Eli in which to give him a SB caliber team to add another ring. With the pieces already in place and what the JRs have done in previous rebuild, that's a very safe bet.

The higher our pick this year, the better a core piece we add to the mix around Eli. If we are bad enough for Clowney we'd be handing Eli a pass rushing trio as good as any he's ever had. Add an Alex Mack in FA and solid draft/fa the rest of the way and that's a team that can win a SB next year.

That said, I still assume we'll win at least 7 games and probably win the division, so all of this will end up moo.
LOL. I knew you thought this was a Cowboys vs Giants thing. It ain't.

If it was, I'm ALL for trading Romo. He's an overrated QB who at best is a decent bus driver if everything around him is working right. He can't carry the team on his back. Never has, never will. If we win it'll be because the team carried him.

But whatevers, I don't want to make this about the Cowboys. Sorry my comment offended you and others. It was just an easy comment to make by someone not really attached to your team. Honestly on the outside looking in, it doesn't look too good for you, and when I read BBD say you needed over 20 spots to find new faces, it made me think you needed a drastic overhaul. I think Eli could net a nice haul, and if that gave you a real means of starting fresh, I think you could turn things around faster and give your team more longevity. Not like your core would disappear, just that you'd be able to fill those 20+ spots more quickly and give your team new life.

Not to bring the Cowboys back into it, but there have been times over the years where I was feeling like we had a nice core to build around too and weren't too far away. But maybe you're totally right and a handful of guys will restore you back to prominence. Though even getting a handful of guys in one offseason to fix a team is a tall task in itself.
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Oh I didn't mean to imply it was jsut a cowboys v giants thing nor was I upset by your comments, I just think both teams have strangely similar cores.

Romo - Eli
Dez - Cruz
Witten - Nicks
Austin - Randle
Tyron - Beatty
The first round rookie OL
Ware - JPP
Spencer - Moore
Carter - Jacquain
Claiborne - Prince
Carr - Rolle/Web/TT/Ross
Scandrick - Hosley

We don't have a Sean Lee or our D wouldn't be much of a concern at all, but otherwise I think the talent is actually very similarly assembled.

We're gunna have a lot of change over the next two years, but not a lot of it will be crucial starters, in fact most of those new faces will be new depth or better stop gaps. We need to fix our interior OL, find Jacquain a partner in the LB corps, and get ready to replace Rolle and Webster/Thomas/Ross with younger guys next to Prince, Hosley and Brown. Of those needs, our secondary is firmly behind the interior OL and second quality LB in terms of how pressing it is.

The Interior OL is a mess, but with Pugh and Beatty on the outside, a stud C, be it Mack or whoever the stud C is in the first round this year, is all we really need to fix it that's hard to acquire. Sign any old solid guard after that and we're golden for now.

There's a ton of quality LBs like we need in the 2nd and 3rd round every year and there will be again this year, if we land one then boom our front 7 is really strong.

After that we need either someone to groom to become a starter as all our old CBs fall apart, or a stud like Byrd who'd be an upgrade. Another DE to stick in the pipeline to replace Kiwi as the third wheel. Probably a DT or two depending on which of the oldies sticks around to play with Hank.

That's a busy summer, but if JR has some money to spend it's not unreasonable, as he is ultimately the big difference between our two teams. When the giants need to make some big decisions and moves Reese has a long resume of success, Jerruh does not. Sign Mack, sign a cheap solid G, sign some old DTs to battle in camp to replace whoever leaves, sign some cheap backup LBs, and have a good draft and we could be playing in the superbowl...granted if Snee and Baas could magically get healthy we could be playing in the superbowl this year because, giants things, but we could have a SB caliber team with those moves
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The problem with cashing in on Eli is that all of these holes only matter because we have a franchise QB to carry us, if we loss that then everything else becomes secondary to replacing eli, meaning we'd have to literally get 3 or more first round picks just to make sure we have the ammo to trade up for a new franchise QB and improve the team drastically to make for the gap between a future HOF like Eli and most high round picks.
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The problem with cashing in on Eli is that all of these holes only matter because we have a franchise QB to carry us, if we loss that then everything else becomes secondary to replacing eli, meaning we'd have to literally get 3 or more first round picks just to make sure we have the ammo to trade up for a new franchise QB and improve the team drastically to make for the gap between a future HOF like Eli and most high round picks.
Yeah, the thought was radical. I already said it was a comment made without much investment. Not an idea that's liked? Cool with me. :)
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I would never forgive the team if they traded away Eli now. That would be the single most stupid decision I've ever witnessed in sports.
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Not saying you don't have core pieces in place. I just think you have a ton of fixes to make and I don't see a quick turn around without some drastic moves. Yeah, trading Eli is probably way too drastic at this point. Still very early in the season and you guys are notorious for bad starts before finding your groove. My thought process was based on if you guys ended up not being able to turn it around. Every loss that builds up will open up ideas that never existed before. We shall see how crazy this NFL season turns out.
The bolded part is not true at all. We're notorious for starting off hot every year usually going 5-2 or 6-2. We then tank at the end of the year and sneak into the playoffs or totally nosedive.
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