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Old 11-18-2013, 09:59 AM    (permalink
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Do you just hate enjoying yourself? We're gunna beat Dallas while Philly losses and continue charging back to win this division at 8-8!
We are still 4-6. We won against pathetic teams. Still wins, mind you, but let's see what happens when the teams actually fight back like the ones on our schedule. And please, I am the one who called this record when you guys were shocked we would actually win a game. I am being realistic, while I am happy we have 4 wins, I don't think we will win out. I think we have a shot against Dallas. Lions may be a win. Seattle will hammer us. Maybe SD can be a win too. I have to see.
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This is what Eli needed to do. Let it out Eli, let it out!

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According to Howard Cross (@WFAN660) Eli Manning was screaming at Louis Murphy on the sidelines after that play. Clearly ran the wrong way.

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Howard Cross on WFAN broadcast says an animated Eli Manning was discussing the interception with Louis Murphy Jr.

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@ConorTOrr @Giants Now Eli is lashing out at Myers after another drop. He's fired up. #nyg

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#nyg INcomplete pass to Myers, and Eli is yelling at the TE. Manning is clearly getting annoyed w/mistakes by receivers.
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We are still 4-6. We won against pathetic teams. Still wins, mind you, but let's see what happens when the teams actually fight back like the ones on our schedule. And please, I am the one who called this record when you guys were shocked we would actually win a game. I am being realistic, while I am happy we have 4 wins, I don't think we will win out. I think we have a shot against Dallas. Lions may be a win. Seattle will hammer us. Maybe SD can be a win too. I have to see.
We're so winning that Seahawks game while ******** the bed at SD.
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Let's worry about Dallas first. If we lose that game, the season is over. Can't lose anymore division games for the rest of the year to have any chance whatsoever.
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Let's worry about Dallas first. If we lose that game, the season is over. Can't lose anymore division games for the rest of the year to have any chance whatsoever.

Most definitely this. First time we're playing an actual QB in a while. Hopefully the defense can keep up the dominance and hold them to FGs and force a few turnovers.
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Most definitely this. First time we're playing an actual QB in a while. Hopefully the defense can keep up the dominance and hold them to FGs and force a few turnovers.
Yes. And Dallas was just embarrassed on national television and has had 2 weeks to prepare for us. Law of averages says they have a good game this week.

Does that mean they'll win? No, but I don't think this is a game to overlook. Let's be real, we won 4 cake games. We played 3 backup qbs and an injured Pryor. Oakland btw played a 1pm game on the East Coast on the road.

Our 4 wins honestly told us absolutely nothing about this team. This week is the true test.

We play a legitimate opponent with a legitimate qb, who had 2 weeks to prepare for us.

This is the game. If we win this game, then I think maybe we have hope. If we lose, it's over. It's that simple.
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Beason says "everybody" was at the facility getting ready for Dallas despite having been given the day off

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Giants had the day off but Beasn said guys came into start working on Dallas.
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JPP, Beason and Rolle all with good plays yesterday. We need each of them to be leading their respective positions.
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Good. They know what's at stake here. This is the season.
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How amazing has Beason been so far btw? See what a MIKE can do for you!

But noooooo. Let's keep drafting crappy ones.
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He's been tremendous. Not enough good can be said about how well he and Hill have played since coming back.
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According to Howard Cross (@WFAN660) Eli Manning was screaming at Louis Murphy on the sidelines after that play. Clearly ran the wrong way.

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@Andy_Mills_SL: Both Eli and @giants o-coordinator Kevin Gilbride just flipped out on WR Louis Murphy Jr.

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#nyg INcomplete pass to Myers, and Eli is yelling at the TE. Manning is clearly getting annoyed w/mistakes by receivers.
That's great to see from Eli. Such a double standard for the media though. When QBs do it it's ok. When WRs do it, they are selfish primma donna cancers. LOL.

You guys seem like a dangerous team right now. Pretty sure you'll beat us. I've lost confidence in our staff to push the right buttons (even with 2 weeks to prepare), and I haven't trusted Romo in years. Our defense won't stop yours (or anyone's for that matter) and we won't generate 6 turnovers again. lol.

Still think Philly is the team to beat in our division. Happy to see you guys winning (so you can lower your draft spot). Neither of us are going to do anything worth remembering this year, so I have to find joy in the little things here and there. :)
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Since we lost out on Clowney, I want us to make the playoffs. I don't care if we go in at 8-8 and lose in the 1st round, just get in.

The playoffs are the playoffs. I think Philly is the front runner right now, followed by Dallas then us, and I think this game is very winnable for Dallas, but at least this little win streak gave us some time to enjoy the season and dream.

That's all you can ask for as a fan. You just want hope. Once you lose hope, it's awful.
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Since we lost out on Clowney, I want us to make the playoffs. I don't care if we go in at 8-8 and lose in the 1st round, just get in.

The playoffs are the playoffs. I think Philly is the front runner right now, followed by Dallas then us, and I think this game is very winnable for Dallas, but at least this little win streak gave us some time to enjoy the season and dream.

That's all you can ask for as a fan. You just want hope. Once you lose hope, it's awful.
My hope is shot. We have a defense that gives up YARDZZZZZZZZZZzzz and we have no brains on offense. Our execution is based on luck more than purpose.

Usually this time of year I'm playing Mr. Positive and laying out the road map of our success for the rest of the season and how we can win down the stretch. This year I just know it ain't gonna happen. We will find a way to crumble because the leadership on this team is weak. From the coaches to the vets.
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How amazing has Beason been so far btw? See what a MIKE can do for you!

But noooooo. Let's keep drafting crappy ones.
...we didn't draft him...
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Philly's not actually any good this year, are they? They've looked like hot garbage in the few games I've seen them this year.

And **** d, we're winning #3 this year!
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...we didn't draft him...
Exactly. If we did draft a good MIKE we wouldn't have to get one from the scrap heap. Let's be real, we got lucky with Beason.

If he didn't come out of no where, we'd have the worst MIKE situation in the league by far. The FO wet the bed with that one in the offseason.
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lol silly bbd. This isn't the 80s and 90s, the giants don't draft good LBs. You so silly.
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lol silly bbd. This isn't the 80s and 90s, the giants don't draft good LBs. You so silly.
Actually we didn't draft em in the 90s either. Just the 80s :(

Armstead was a lucky get, and Barrow was a FA. Everyone else sucked.
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The defense has been great. My concern is the offense. It still looks awful.

Our pass game is just bad right now. Eli is missing throws, and guys just aren't getting open. Our options are dated and have been figured out but we still run them.

And Nicks has been useless. Absolutely useless. We're actually hurting ourselves with him on the field. It's 10 on 11.

The OL is still awful. Randle is still inconsistent. Eli is still feeling ghost pressure.

Offense is still bad. If we're legitimately going to make any push this season, we need to see substantial improvement from the offense to do anything.
To me the offence has two main issues

Firstly the Oline is not good, we can't give the protection he had in previous years. This is a combo of Snee and Baas being unhealthy, Beatty struggling early, rookie learning curve for Pugh and the other young guys not stepping up. The line has improved, but has a long way to go.
I wonder if our improved blocking in the last couple weeks is more due to Connor, Hillis, Jacobs and Brown all of whom can pass block effectively.

The second issue is that Eli is out of sync with his receivers. I big factor I think is Cruz and Nicks missing so much time in in the offseason and training camp, plus getting a little banged up. The fact that our pass protection has been so poor has meant that we have to adjust our game and Eli has been unable to get into rythym with the receivers.
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Actually we didn't draft em in the 90s either. Just the 80s :(

Armstead was a lucky get, and Barrow was a FA. Everyone else sucked.
The less said about our drafting in the 90s the better...

let's just say that George Young did not handle free agency well and our drafting was pathetic. Then EA had his own "challenges" building our roster.

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That's great to see from Eli. Such a double standard for the media though. When QBs do it it's ok. When WRs do it, they are selfish primma donna cancers. LOL.

You guys seem like a dangerous team right now. Pretty sure you'll beat us. I've lost confidence in our staff to push the right buttons (even with 2 weeks to prepare), and I haven't trusted Romo in years. Our defense won't stop yours (or anyone's for that matter) and we won't generate 6 turnovers again. lol.

Still think Philly is the team to beat in our division. Happy to see you guys winning (so you can lower your draft spot). Neither of us are going to do anything worth remembering this year, so I have to find joy in the little things here and there. :)


That's one aspect of Eli I loathe. He covers up others mistakes and always takes the hit. In the meantime, other fans and media people rip him non stop. On the other hand, I watch Brady or Peyton and if their guys did what our guys do, they would be killing someone. As it is, I see them scream at their players. I wish Eli would do that religiously when our fools hang Eli out to dry.

I mean how on gods green earth do you picked off on a slant, hitch and screen pass this season? One screen was Eli's fault, but the slant and last games hitch was not.

Let's take it 1 game at a time for us. We had to alter our offense big time to a deal strike offense to a dink and dunk, short concept passing scheme. I like it this way actually. However, I heard the game manager term now being used. Poor Eli can't win. He gets owned because of our WR and OL, and then we change and now he is a game manager.

That's why I said in a prior post. Let it out ELi, let it out! If I were in his shoes I would have snapped a while ago. My guys hang me out to dry and you want to blame me?! Screw you all! I would have a nice post game presser rant.
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Eli does it behind closed doors. He's harsh in the meeting room apparently.

I like that. Don't throw your teammates under the bus. It does nothing to help you win games by explaining to the media what happened. Keep it in house.
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To me the offence has two main issues

Firstly the Oline is not good, we can't give the protection he had in previous years. This is a combo of Snee and Baas being unhealthy, Beatty struggling early, rookie learning curve for Pugh and the other young guys not stepping up. The line has improved, but has a long way to go.
I wonder if our improved blocking in the last couple weeks is more due to Connor, Hillis, Jacobs and Brown all of whom can pass block effectively.

The second issue is that Eli is out of sync with his receivers. I big factor I think is Cruz and Nicks missing so much time in in the offseason and training camp, plus getting a little banged up. The fact that our pass protection has been so poor has meant that we have to adjust our game and Eli has been unable to get into rythym with the receivers.
I think teams just figured out our offense. We're incredibly stale and archaic. I know execution is still the name of the game, but we simply don't have many high percentage throws in our offense.

We don't try to develop a rhythm, we don't run short crosses, we don't run any pistol, we don't have combo plays, we don't have built in bubble screens, we don't try any up tempo drives, everything is vertical with very little security valves. And we won't waste any time going over how damn complicated it is.

It's just a dated offense.
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