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Old 12-08-2013, 08:46 AM    (permalink
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Meh I don't want either. Give me some young guys looking to make a name. I hate to say but Fewell also has done a pretty good job with the D so far this year.
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I wouldn't mind Phillips. He's made every defense he's taken over better his entire career. He's a 34 guy but he runs a 1 gap scheme which is basically a 43 Over.

Get a 5 tech, draft Anthony Barr to play SAM, line JPP in the 9 on the other side, and boom. Wade Phillips front.
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:26 AM    (permalink
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We're going to be picking 12-18. Barr won't be there.
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BBD,

Due to winning we are out of very good blue chip prospect range. We will get good players, but once again in mid round limbo.
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There's nothing wrong with limbo. We've built championship teams with limbo. I know we got Eli the one terrible year which was HUGE but we just need to get back to nailing the draft wherever we pick.
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There's nothing wrong with limbo. We've built championship teams with limbo. I know we got Eli the one terrible year which was HUGE but we just need to get back to nailing the draft wherever we pick.
Yes and now we need to re-load. We are far from that now. We have to re-load and make some changes. We have been picking later in the drafts for nearly a decade now. A good early pick would have helped us for a whole draft.
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We need to reload and this is a great point to reevaluate everything.

Bottom line the whole organisation needs to do better.

Eli is likely to get his extenion, meaning he is our QB for the next 5-6 years

Coughlin shows no signs of wanting to hang up his boots and will be given the chance to turn it around.

We probably have a 5 year window with Eli.

We can ditch a bunch of big contracts plus aging vets. We can reload.

I have been looking into this, the Giants could have quite a bit of cap room next year to work with.
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I wouldn't mind Phillips. He's made every defense he's taken over better his entire career. He's a 34 guy but he runs a 1 gap scheme which is basically a 43 Over.

Get a 5 tech, draft Anthony Barr to play SAM, line JPP in the 9 on the other side, and boom. Wade Phillips front.
We could move to this kind of scheme if we wanted to.
With Joseph, Jenkins, Hankins, Kuhn and Patterson we have a good core for the Dline. Tuck could be decent as 5 tech if cheap.

At OLB both JPP and Moore would be good fits.

Barr may be out of reach but there are guys like Khalil Mack who could be available.

Not saying we should, but there are options if thats what we want to do.
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I'm friggin sick of Randle.
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We're going to be picking 12-18. Barr won't be there.
If we lose to the Chargers we will be around 10/11 in the draft order
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I'm friggin sick of Randle.


I second that. Fool has been a nightmare for Eli . Its either a big play or TD or an int. Its very frustrating watching this offense play
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Well this pretty much cements 6-10. There will be changes. We'll see where.
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I second that. Fool has been a nightmare for Eli . Its either a big play or TD or an int. Its very frustrating watching this offense play
Has Randle been that bad?
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So I haven't seen anyone do this is a mock, but what are the odds the Giants jettison Myers and then go TE in the first round?
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So I haven't seen anyone do this is a mock, but what are the odds the Giants jettison Myers and then go TE in the first round?
Chances of getting rid of Myers? Very Strong

Chances of going TE in the first round, even if Myers is cut? Very weak.
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I would go ape **** if we went TE in the first with all the glaring needs we have.
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Get rid of baas, Diehl, Snee, Rolle and tuck. Sign Alberts, Mack and Byrd. Swap Beatty to RT, Pugh to guard and let Booty battle Mosley/Cordle/Rookie/cheapFA for the final OL spot. Proceed to do whatever the **** we want in the draft as long as a DE and DB are drafted before the end of day two.
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We're not signing all 3 of those FA's. We'd be lucky to get even one of them. Stop setting yourselves up for dissapointment like you did with Clowney.
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We're not signing all 3 of those FA's. We'd be lucky to get even one of them. Stop setting yourselves up for dissapointment like you did with Clowney.
Not to mention how much it would eviscerate your cap by signing those 3. I don't think people fully realize how much of a sellers market this offseason is going to be because of how conservative everyone was last year. To get those 3 players you'd have to overpay well over what their actual value is. While you could afford it paying an open market price on 3 of the top free agents in what should be one of the most aggressive markets in a long time certainly isn't conducive to building a sustainable contending team.
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Has Randle been that bad?

Yes. It's BOOM or BUST with him. It's either a big play or turnover. Same with Murphy. Someone ggave me this stat. He has been targeted 5 times and 3 resulted in turnovers. 2 Ints and the Panthers game where he fumbled.

So we have turnovers galore. Another very bad signing by Reese.
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I really hope this season results in a new OC and DC.

At least one has to go right?

Btw, when the Giants haven't faced a backup qb this season, our defense has been 25th in the league. Still awful. So yeah.

Our trenches are awful. We need to retool the OL and DL.
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Here is the approximate Giants salary cap situation for 2014.

This uses numbers from over the cap.com

I will have more detailed numbers in my offseason article that I am working on.

The projected salary cap for 2014 is $126.5m.

The Giants have slightly over $18m with around 35 players under contract.

If we cut Snee, Baas, Myers, Rolle, Kiwanuka and Webster we are slightly over $40m under the cap.

If Baas and Kiwanuka are designated as post june cuts we regain around $5.8m after june 1.

If we give Manning a contract extension similar to what Romo got this year we create around $8m in additional cap room in 2014

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The projected salary cap for 2014 is $126.5m.

Do you have a link for that? I've been going under an assumption it was going to remain 123 or go up to 125.
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I honestly think we need to actively and aggressively pursue OLmen.

FA, draft, whatever we have to do, we need to retool this OL. Beatty has been an absolute disaster of a signing, we need to move him to RT and pray that he can revive his career there.

Move Pugh inside to G. We must must must get a LT. It's a must. Whether it's Albert in FA or we draft a Jake Matthews or whoever else is available, we need a LT in the worst way. It's easily our biggest need.

Center is our 2nd biggest need. Guard might be our 3rd.

Long story short, we need OL. We literally have 1 OLmen worth a damn in Pugh. And you just have to pray that Beatty can salvage his career at RT which gives us 2 OLmen.

On the DL, we need a pass rusher. We need an OLB. We need a CB.

I feel like with some smart maneuvering in the offseason we can bounce back, and with some system changes we'll be ok, but they have to have a solid gameplan in place.
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