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Old 12-18-2013, 09:37 AM    (permalink
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Not many teams even use a FB anymore so I guess they felt more comfortable with who they had. If you watched Hard Knocks the Bengals went with that TE/FB hybrid because he was more versatile and younger. I agree Connor should stay over Hynoski though
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I feel if we can get a good blocking TE, keep Connor, get 2 OLmen and a mid round RB, we could resurrect the run game.

Now what do we do with the pass game? If Nicks comes back at a reasonable contract, maybe we bring him back, if not let him walk. Hope Randle develops. Hope they dumb down the offense.

And just pray.

That's all I got for ya.
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I have a feeling Nicks is gone. I don't think he wants to come back and I don't the team will want him back. He doesn't have the attitude to deal with NY anymore.
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If Nicks comes back at a reasonable contract, maybe we bring him back, if not let him walk.
I still think this is going to happen. Other than possibly 33 year old Anquan Boldin, Nicks is the biggest name WR that is going to hit the free agent market.


More than that..... I wouldn't dare say that Rueben Randle is anywhere close to to the level of Hakeem Nicks but......

I think Nicks is playing down to a particular level this year where he's not completely irreplaceable. Hopefully he bounces back whatever team he plays for.

If the Giants let go of the sheer volume of players you guys think they will, could it pay to franchise tag Nicks to see if he has that bounce back year?
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Sounds like we're going to have a lot of shakeups in our scouting and player evaluation departments. I wonder if Ross takes a hit here.
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Sounds like we're going to have a lot of shakeups in our scouting and player evaluation departments. I wonder if Ross takes a hit here.
Where do you hear that?

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I still think this is going to happen. Other than possibly 33 year old Anquan Boldin, Nicks is the biggest name WR that is going to hit the free agent market.


More than that..... I wouldn't dare say that Rueben Randle is anywhere close to to the level of Hakeem Nicks but......

I think Nicks is playing down to a particular level this year where he's not completely irreplaceable. Hopefully he bounces back whatever team he plays for.

If the Giants let go of the sheer volume of players you guys think they will, could it pay to franchise tag Nicks to see if he has that bounce back year?
I fully expect Nicks to light it up for the Panthers next year.
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It was an nj.com article from today BBD.
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I'm all for re-evaluating our scouts who specialize on the OL, and LB positions.

I think we've been poor evaluating those positions. Ross could be gone. I guess we all overrated Ross.

I want to see some coaching changes too though. Doesn't sound like it's happening.
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They're not going to tip their hand now. We're going to have to wait until after the season to see how it plays out. This will be the most interesting offseason we've had since Coughlin was hired/Eli was drafted. A close second would be the year we signed Plax/McKenzie/Pierce.
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Honestly, as awful as it sounds, you have to hope and pray that our offense finishes the season looking like that Seattle game.

Bc that puts pressure on them to get rid of Gilbride. If they finish strong, then he's gonna stay.
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Here's that article.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...forefront.html

Lions game will be ugly offensively. Eli wont even play the seond half because they're afraid he'll get hurt.

Redskins we'll win and look decent.
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Are you speculating that or they've come out and said he won't play the 2nd half?
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Are you speculating that or they've come out and said he won't play the 2nd half?
That's my speculation but Coughlin has said he and Eli have discussed playing time because of how bad the OL is right now especially with two more guys possibly not playing.
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I say start him for like the first quarter of each of the next 2 games so he keeps his consecutive start streak then let Nassib get killed back there.
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I'm sure Coughlin will play Eli as long as he can on Sunday. Because the same means something for the Lions and the rest of the NFC North. Week 17 means nothing for any team. So all bets are off.
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Nassib won't see one snap this year. The perfect time to see if he learned anything this year and we won't give him a snap. More disconnect between Coughlin and Reese.
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What disconnect? Which one are you suggesting didn't want him?
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No Reese wants Coughlin to play young guys more often and Coughlin simply refuses to.

That's the disconnect.
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Correct BBD. I know we do have a history of playing our rookies but it's usually last case scenario when they're forced to. I didnt like the Nassib pick by Reese but know is the time to play him and let him get his feet weet just a little. Give him the 2nd half against the Lions and 3 quarters against the Skins. I'd say give him both games but Eli has the streak going.
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No Reese wants Coughlin to play young guys more often and Coughlin simply refuses to.

That's the disconnect.
No, the disconnect is personnel also. We drafted Beckum, for 3rd downs, and in cold weather he can pick up the first downs. However, we don't use an H back in our system. We use a traditional 2 way TE, who is built, 6'5 or taller, weighing 255-270 lbs. That's not beckum. So in theory Reese got us player A, but player A doesn't fit our system. Barden was a tall red zone threat, but how many times have we used him in the red zone?

We drafted Wilson to throw to and be that home run talent. However, our backs have to pass block often and be good to it. So a player who didn't do that often was drafted and plugged into our system. We signed FA Myers, excellent TE in a WCO system, that is called upon to run routes and not block often. What do we do? Again, our TEs have to block often because we preach balance. So that was a fail.

So it seems along the way front office has a vision of one thing, and in reality that vision isn't supported or feasible when these players enter our system.
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Basically long story short Coughlin is a dinosaur who won't adjust his schemes or philosophy to adapt to players.

That's both on Reese and Coughlin. Coughlin is to blame bc he refuses to adjust, and Reese is to blame bc he keeps drafting players that doesn't fit the system and hopes Coughlin will adjust to make it work.
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I blame Reese more. Coughlin's system is a proven winner. Whether we like it or not. Reese has to get him players to make it work.

Reese isn't a coach. If Reese has a system he wants to run, then Coughlin has to go and Reese needs to hire a coach to match his vision. However we all know that isn't happening. He can't keep giving him square pegs for round holes.
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To be fair, during both our SB runs, Coughlin adjusted his systems to help the team and we went on our runs.

For example in 2011 Fewell dumbed down the defense to prevent communication breakdowns and we magically caught fire on the way to the SB.

In 07 Coughlin shortened the pass game and Eli got into a rhythm.

So does the system really work as well as we think? Bc we didn't make the playoffs for all the other years in btw, and the 2 times we go on to make the playoffs and win the SB was bc the coaching staff finally caved in and adjusted their systems.
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We drafted Wilson to throw to and be that home run talent.
One of the problems is Wilson only ever seemed capable of one of those two things.
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One of the problems is Wilson only ever seemed capable of one of those two things.
He could catch it too. The problem is he was never allowed to work on his craft bc they just never trusted him on 3rd and long.
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