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Old 01-01-2014, 10:19 PM    (permalink
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My ideal dream team:

HC: Coughlin
OC: Norv Turner
DC: Greg Williams

Don't forget, if Tennessee fires their coach, Greg Williams is available. Greg is a stud DC, has always been a stud DC, he is an aggressive 4-3 guy who plays a ton of man coverage, we don't have to worry about him becoming a HC any time soon, and Coughlin tried to get Williams before he hired Tim Lewis.

Greg Williams would be perfect for this team and I'd do cart wheels if we hired him as our DC.
I forgot we tried to hire Williams back in 2004.

He was one of two guy that I really wanted us to get, the other being Dick LeBeau.

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I have been thinking about it and I really like the idea of Charlie Weis as OC if he is available.

Weis and Coughlin have worked together in the past.

My ideal coaching staff changes are:


Charlie Weis - Offensive Coordinator

Kevin Gilbride - Quarterbacks Coach

Gregg Williams - Defensive Coordinator

Mike Priefer - Special Teams Coordinator

Shannon Turley - Strength and Conditioning
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As a head coach? That would be god awful. You're letting your Rutgers bias get in your way. He was an atrocious NFL head coach.
Atrocious? How?

He had a 3rd round rookie QB exceed expectations and while losing his best offensive player he lost 4 games by 3 pts or less and a few more by a TD or less. Played in a division with two playoff teams.. Not too mention having a locker room torn apart by MRSA. He went 4-12, we went a lucky 7-9... Just 3 wins better in a ****** division, with a "Franchise QB", one of the best WR tandems, and some of the best pass rushers.

Schaino got a raw deal with the Bucs. In a few years he'll get another opportunity and pull a Belichick. Hopefully its with us.

If he would come as DC and be our heir apparent to Coughlin I'd go crazy but thats just dreaming.
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Realistic staff:

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I don't think Coughlin will fire Gilbride though. I just can't see him doing that but we'll see.
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Atrocious? How?

He had a 3rd round rookie QB exceed expectations and while losing his best offensive player he lost 4 games by 3 pts or less and a few more by a TD or less. Played in a division with two playoff teams.. Not too mention having a locker room torn apart by MRSA. He went 4-12, we went a lucky 7-9... Just 3 wins better in a ****** division, with a "Franchise QB", one of the best WR tandems, and some of the best pass rushers.

Schaino got a raw deal with the Bucs. In a few years he'll get another opportunity and pull a Belichick. Hopefully its with us.

If he would come as DC and be our heir apparent to Coughlin I'd go crazy but thats just dreaming.
And? His players, by all accounts, did not like playing for him.

And oh cool, you are speculating he'll be the next Bill Belichick. A HOF coach with multiple SB wins and many SB appearances. Based on what? Him being a solid defensive coordinator? Hooray for your completely absurd and unsubstantiated speculation!

Also, three wins in the NFL is a HUGE difference.
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I have been thinking about it and I really like the idea of Charlie Weis as OC if he is available.

Weis and Coughlin have worked together in the past.
Well we'd have to work a lot on our screen game if that happened.
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And? His players, by all accounts, did not like playing for him.

And oh cool, you are speculating he'll be the next Bill Belichick. A HOF coach with multiple SB wins and many SB appearances. Based on what? Him being a solid defensive coordinator? Hooray for your completely absurd and unsubstantiated speculation!

Also, three wins in the NFL is a HUGE difference.
This is absolutely false. That was media driven garbage.

After he was let go, many players in the lockerroom said they were shocked and disappointed. They all played hard for Schiano, and he had a lot of support in the lockerroom.

McCoy said himself that he loved playing for Schiano and that he learned more under Schiano then he did in his entire career in football.

Schiano was a very good coach who got screwed. Part of me thinks they fired him bc they thought he was leaving for Penn State.

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Schiano please :). I really think he'd be a god fit for us besides my Rutgers love.
I'm a huge Schiano guy, but this isn't happening. First and foremost, Coughlin doesn't like him. And secondly, he's probably going to be the next Penn State HC and he knows he can go back to college as a HC any time, he won't take a demotion and become an NFL DC.

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I have been thinking about it and I really like the idea of Charlie Weis as OC if he is available.

Weis and Coughlin have worked together in the past.

My ideal coaching staff changes are:


Charlie Weis - Offensive Coordinator

Kevin Gilbride - Quarterbacks Coach

Gregg Williams - Defensive Coordinator

Mike Priefer - Special Teams Coordinator

Shannon Turley - Strength and Conditioning
I'm open to the idea of Weis as OC as well. Weis is a great OC, look at what he did with Matt Cassell in KC.
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I really thought Schiano would have stayed. However the problem was obviously bigger than him. They fired the GM as well so they did the right thing letting the coach go with him.
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I hope Gilbride retires and Fewell accepts a HC job somewhere. Please Lord let that happen.

And Sullivan goes and coaches some D1 college program as their HC.

Then we'll be cooking for sure.
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Gilbride retiring!!!!
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Any news on any other changes?!
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Redskins interviewed Caldwell and Fewell

Hire them both!
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For The Love Of God Hire Them Both!

And Take Sullivan With You Fewell!
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I hope his son is gone too.
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Any news on any other changes?!
Nope not yet. That's the first shoe to drop.

Thanks for all the playoff and SB memories Gilbride!!!!
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Wow, can't believe he's retiring. Guess that means Coughlin stays, which I'm happy about.
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I'm going to sleep in my Chud PJ's tonight knowing full well Sullivan will be hired in a day.
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I would be okay with Sullivan. I'd like a bigger change, but it seems unlikely.
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I don't think Coughlin will fire Gilbride though. I just can't see him doing that but we'll see.
I could easily see that coaching staff
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Gilbride retiring!!!!
Thats a surprise, but I guess it shouldn't be.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...o-retire-soon/

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Shefty said Sullivan is the top guy to replace him because ugh
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Gilbride gone and hopefully Fewell doesn't return.

Eli has a great relationship with Sullivan, its an offensive system he's familiar with, and lets face it getting Eli back on track is our #1 priority.
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Shefty said Sullivan is the top guy to replace him because ugh
I actually like Sullivan to be honest.

Sure it is essentially the similar system, but it will be with a different perspective, plus Sullivan will have learned from his time in Tampa. There offense wasn't that bad considering the Freeman debacle and a rookie QB.

looking at Pro Football Focus ratings (subscription required)

Giants

Offense 27th (PFF -72.8)
Pass 21st (PFF -11.6)
Rush 30th (PFF -4.8)
Pass Block 31st (PFF -58.5)
Run Block 17th (PFF -22.9)
Penalty 11th (PFF 25.0)

Tampa Bay

Offense 26th (PFF -70.4)
Pass 23rd (PFF -15.2)
Rush 8th (PFF 12.7)
Pass Block 23rd (PFF -10.8)
Run Block 30th (PFF -69.7)
Penalty 28th (PFF 12.4)

One of the more interesting points is that while our running game ranked 30th was no surprise, our run blocking rated much higher. Conversely our passing rating was quite a bit better than our pass blocking.

With Tampa, they had a very good run game despite very poor run blocking and their pass blocking was a bit better than ours. Considering the Freeman issues and starting a rookie QB, their passing game was ok.

It seems to me that Tampa's offensive strength, rushing, is the biggest area we need to improve.
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Interesting our PFF defesive and special teams rankings

Defense 16th (PFF 27.3)
Run Defense 10th (PFF 43.2)
Pass Rush 30th (PFF -31.6
Pass Coverage 12th (PFF 3.0)
Penalty 16th (PFF 12.7)

Special Teams 19th (PFF 15.1)



Looking at a couple of possible options if Fewell departs:

The Titans (Gregg Williams) had the 6th best defence (2nd pass rush)
The Ravens (Steve Spagnuolo) had the 7th best defence (9th pass rush)
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